Exclusive: Airtel starts charging for VoIP data on 2G and 3G, calls on Viber and Skype not to be covered by data packs

This Christmas may not be much of a delight for Airtel subscribers. In an unprecedented move, Bharti Airtel has started charging standard data rates for VoIP data usage on all Internet data packs and plans. As per the new data policy

All Internet/data packs or plans (through which customer can avail discounted rate) shall only be valid for internet browsing and will exclude VoIP (Both incoming/ Outgoing). VoIP over data connectivity would be charged at standard data rates of 4p / 10 KB (3G service) and 10p / 10 KB (2G service).
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airtel-logoWhat is VoIP data?
In simple terms Voice over IP (VoIP) is voice data you sent across the internet. All internet based voice/video calling applications like Skype, Viber, Line and Google hangout uses VoIP for voice communication on internet. These applications provide free calling between its users irrespective of their location as it uses only internet for communication.
What this would mean is that next time you use Skype/Viber to call someone you will be charged standard data rate even when you have 2G/3G data packs active. This will be a great blow to Airtel subscriber who use VoIP applications like Skype to talk to loved ones abroad and within the country.
Operators Vs OTT
Recently TRAI had squashed a proposal to charge Over-the-Top players like the Whatsapp and Viber to pay connectivity charges to telecom companies. TRAI was of the opinion that revenue drop of the operators can be made up with the increase in the mobile data usage. But operators were of the stand that consumers are paying just for the Internet packages and not for the calls and messages.

What happens to Net Neutrality: 

When the rest of the world is debating Net Neutrality plans of Obama and how he wishes free and open internet for everyone, Airtel decided to go against it and break the Net Neutrality principle. It silently decided to apply variable charges to the VoIP calls to makeup for its lost revenue.

Also read : TRAI to examine Airtel and Uninor’s deal with Facebook and WhatsApp

We expect other operators including Vodafone and Idea to follow the same path. We feel this move as a first step towards charging Over-the-Top players which is carving out operators voice and messaging revenue.

Update : AIrtel has launched VoIP calling pack it will cost Rs 75 for 75MB with 28 days validity

Please let us know by comments how you will respond to this move by Airtel?

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  • Indian slave - kochi February 20, 2015 10:24 pm

    way to go airtel. i hav already switched so i don’t hav a problem with this hilarity.
    and i honestly i pray you should screw your customers further. then only the sheeple will wake up and retaliate

    FOOLS PLEASE TAKE NOTE :-
    WITH 250 Kbps the actual speed will be 250 divided by 8.
    for the sake of ease, lets divide it by 10.
    25 KBps. actual speed.
    see that b is written B in some places?
    small b is kilobit per second and
    big B is kilobyte per second.

    the mobile companies or any Internet service providers count the connection speeds in kilobit per second. not kilobyte per second.
    so when you hear someone say he has got a 1 mbps connection, he actually means he get a maximum speed of 125kBps while downloading stuff.

    in short, he can download an average quality 5mb song in say.. 50 seconds.

    and with my current 5 kBps speed, i can download that same song in 17 minutes. god save us

    do i fail? nope
    if i paid, i wont let em cheat me.
    used the 1 gb inbuilt in 4 days. (25 kBps)
    now my smarty pant runs torrent client in the background 24/7.(day and night)

    and i have already used like 2.5 gb with 6 days more to go. 😀
    + i wont be paying another dime to any of these a.. holes. m getting my self a cheap home broadband.
    (the cheapest ones have like 512 kbps mind you, means around 50kBps shpeed)
    i suggest you do sumthin like that too..
    i honestly believe the companies made trai a fool with something simple as KBPS versus kbps.
    cos as i remember, 2g speeds hit 60 or 70 KBps in old days. when trai dindnt set a minimum standards for speed.

    which stands at a hilariously amusing 50kbps. obviously my doubt is that trai meant 50KBps. companies can now legally steal with providing 50 kbps.
    in short, the isp’s used trai’s technological ideocracy to push india to dark ages.

    tail piece.: i have reason to think as i do,
    cos i had a dialup connection (it was hilarious too)
    in 2004, and its speed was 15 kBps. which i complained was too low at the time.
    now my connection runs at 5kBps
    after 11 years. sigh.

  • Sudhakar February 12, 2015 8:09 am

    One question for everyone here :

    Can anyone really use 1 GB of 2G data within 30 days despite of getting shameless speed?.

    • Ashish - Delhi April 15, 2015 9:00 am

      You think so you could I live in Delhi here the speed is quite OK in Vodafone but yes you could use 1gb if the weather is dry but if there would be raining or in rainy season the speed in 2g goes less than 20kbps over in browsing and forget about downloading.
      But if you are an internet addict then switch to mtnl in Delhi
      The 3G Internet in Delhi costs for 76 for a GB for 7 days.
      But the problem is you have to go to mtnl office to get a sim card and it takes about 3 days to activate sim which becomes quite lengthy but once you are in you will love to use it

  • avi - delhi February 10, 2015 11:50 am

    Airtel let people live happily, you have an option, why don’t you people increase the price if you cannot keep up, why you just want to bring new policy to trouble customer, those companies can can still give cheap affordable internet let them do, voip is todays need so let us enjoy, why do you wish to restrict very thing.

  • John - Jaipur February 6, 2015 10:30 pm

    Thanks Airtel I completed my MNP to Reliance(works fine in ma City????)

  • Vinod - Khatima January 7, 2015 9:51 pm

    Airtel is one of the biggest bluffmaster in telecom industries. They decide the market up and downs. if they will decide to charge VOIP call then definetly other operator will follow like twitter handle. TRAI is only the name like ex-PM they didn’t have rights to do appropriate action against that move.
    Airtel will recover from consumers for spectrum amount which they had purchased delhi and mumbai circle license few month back at 2g Auction.
    They only increase the price of data service but quality of data service is year to year just its opposite.
    In data service bandwidth is just like a water connection of Jal nigam if capacity of nigam pipe line for household is 500 connection in your colony and connection is 5000. you better know the pressure of water. same is the bandwidth sharing only thing is that connection increase day by day.but thickness of pipeline is not upto the demand.

  • anil - uae January 5, 2015 3:17 am

    Where is regularary who were talking about connected india….:(((

  • Sudar - Palani January 2, 2015 11:29 am

    Airtel the day light robbery company and the same suite will be followed by idea and airtel once implemented by airtel, they already charge huge tariffs with GB restrictions with FUP( Fair Usage Policy) in the name of unlimited internet by throttling the speed to 10 kbps.

    • Sumedh Alshi January 2, 2015 5:03 pm

      What else one can expect from them!!

  • Sumedh Alshi December 31, 2014 1:59 pm

    Another way to fill up the pockets with bogus unprecedented plans. I condemn this act and TRAI should ban such plans as we do pay for internet and voip itself is an inclusion in it.

    • Sudar - Palani January 2, 2015 11:31 am

      TRAI is handicapped and sick regulator where they never monitor money sucking network like airtel, vodafone and Idea.

  • praveen - kochi December 28, 2014 8:48 pm

    TRAI exists only for namesake. this so called government regulator turns a blind eye towards all the loot which is being executed by these greedy and unscrupulous mobile companies. more explicitly this is a well structured nexus and as always it’s the helpless people of this country who are at the receiving end .

    • Sudar January 2, 2015 11:34 am

      TRAI is a sick and handicapped regulate in India and they allow all money sucking networks like airtel , vodafone and idea to cheat and suck money from public in the name of unlimited data with FUP and with data heavy tariffs.

  • hanger998 December 28, 2014 11:43 am

    please see the following link how airtel tried to loot kenya for 2 million $ , how they narrowlly escaped with the help of college student software coders trained by american ngo for 2000$ to track the movements of people affected by aids,…

  • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 28, 2014 7:52 am

    It would be great if all of us here send the mail template available on netneutrality.in/ to the email ids of TRAI and telecom minister specified there.each mail from a different person would necessarily make a huge impact and open the eyes of a sleeping govt.Please use the mail template and start today because in this fight to protect the internet all of our actions matter a lot

    • hanger998 December 28, 2014 12:01 pm

      bro there is old proverb you can wakeup a person who is sleeping but you cant wakeup a person who is acting as sleeping, i think govt and trai are watching how customers are reacting to it since these corporates has backdoor access to govt, if customers of airtel is willing to accept to pay as most of its users are arrogant and dump as always will defending airtels move but the other operators will take it as a gren signal from market convince trai to make it as regular move, then if the trend will set a downward spiral bsnl will be forced to follow…. only with money can access to internet knowledge it will close the door to future poor students to internet knowledge, the seed of the trend is sown in india………..

      • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 28, 2014 12:34 pm

        Knowing this fully well i think as responsible citizens we have the job to push back to the hilt so that the government can no longer act.we have to keep trying.we cant give up even before the game started.every living person in India has or is still struggling and moving against every odds that are erected.We cant say we will succeed but we will have to raise our voice so that this thing slowly reaches mainstream and things can be controlled before they rot too much

        • hanger687 December 28, 2014 1:39 pm

          as a concerned citizen, lets do what we can do, coz without free internet i cant even imagine that i can get this tiny konowledge, i visit TT atleast twice a weak, but this move by this fraudster operator makes me to comment like a spam, i neither use whatsapp nor airtel but it is chain reaction it will neither end with this operator nor only with voip apps, it is totally against customer rights , how these brokers have rights to loot in this country even above TRAI, before it gets too late our readers in this site have to wakeup, atleast we can explain the gravity of this issue to other like mided people… i saw a article in financial express the author has spilled venom against users that did not want to pay, undermining the rights of the user as net neutrality is urban upper middle class term, they want readers does not know truth behind this issue, pease spread this news and stop this non sense b4 its too late(like googe 75rs, wikipedia 85rs)……………………

          • sandeep - kollam December 28, 2014 2:16 pm

            +1…
            and yes i saw that dumbo article too

          • sandeep - kollam December 28, 2014 2:18 pm

            forget about those guys.One Puneet Jain was also saying similar thing ….i blasted him in thecomments.and seeing our responses on change.org and various other forums he has deleted his comment.

  • mehdi - bangalore December 27, 2014 10:11 pm

    Will using VPN help avoiding VoIP detection ? SOME MIDDLE EAST countries(telecom co’s with help of govt ) tried to block VoIP providers but were unsuccessful since there is always a hack to get around . Porting to other Internet service provider is a good option ,but VPN seems to offer a back door plus personal stabbing into air tel for leading the telecom cartel . I am very much satisfied with the reliability of Air tel which they have turned it against the USERS . Sooner or later they will target video streaming and torrent like services . they have made tv useless unless u subscribe HD CHANNELS. video streaming will be targeted for this using dubious relations of FUP AND LOSS IN AIR TEL DIGITAL TV. similar strategy is applied here to suck out most of cash out of the customers.people should make free android or IOS app VPN to teach this cartel a lesson of not to selectively charge . other networks will follow definitely need a Hack , porting is not a long run option, VPN is more promising.

    • Sayantan - Kolkata December 27, 2014 11:27 pm

      You you please guide me on how to use vpn on android gingerbread?

    • krish December 28, 2014 11:09 am

      Vpn is such a waste of thing. Ping goes up from 150ms on normal 3g to 1000ms on vpn connected 3g. So slow speeds.

    • hanger988 December 28, 2014 11:30 am

      sir y u want to hide by using vpn, there are just contractor to provide internet service to people , if not airtel some one will take its place as leading but the point is data can be spent according to user wishes, if govt thinks let market place will decide it, if you say other broker company will follow too but how can you protect ur rights, lets be clear airtel is just service provider , they did not say total revenue is last, they are just saying revenue in sms is lost, now they are saying revenue in call gonna be lost but the revenue in data is growing at exceptional, it is seeding the danger, will be future benefit to loot customers for video straeaming, search engine even accesing wikipedia…. they are just brokers who can not have any rights to dictate how to use ur data packets, if customers not gonna do against them this will be a green sign to them , they can loot heavily in future too, first forget abt other service provider, gravity of these matter is higher than what ur thinking, no users need to hide if we didnt stand or protect our rights , it will set dangerous trend for how data is consumed in entire india….

  • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 27, 2014 1:00 am

    Dear all,

    The thing that stuns me the most is not that some operator decided to charge it…but the fact that TRAI and the govt. is sleeping on it.This shows without doubt how much the regulatory framework and our govt is a sham and its just there for benefitting corporates.These people give a s@@t of how harrassed a common citizen is.No amount of GDP can save us till such audacity by money and muscle power goes unchallenged.

    • Chetan December 27, 2014 3:17 pm

      that is because there is no such definite laws for protecting net neutrality in out country. TRAI chief just said” VOIP charging is not illegal but against Net Neutrality” . Airtel knew the fact that there is no such laws governing exclusive VOIP charging and hence took benefit of it.
      Vodafone might evaluate the move as they dont charge the same in their home turf. Idea should follow Airtel move soon.

  • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 26, 2014 6:40 pm

    Also see this website created by another guy called ishan..

    netneutrality in

  • Sudhakar December 26, 2014 3:54 pm

    I am talking about Tamilnadu airtel prepaid :

    I have generated UPC code 2 days back in my airtel number and I got a call today (26th December 2014) from airtel asking me the reason for port out. Then I bashed them asking how dare they can charge for VoIP calls, reduce the data pack benefits, reducing the data and voice booster pack validity from 30 days to 21 days (and also from 60 days to 56 days ; from 90 days to 84 days etc) and increasing the booster pack tariff. They were left without answer after I finished bashing. They said they will talk to their higher authorities about my concern (I know they will not do so).

    • hari December 26, 2014 4:28 pm

      i too did the same they were are also rude on call no wonder all people are leaving airtel

    • Mangesh - Pune December 26, 2014 11:46 pm

      I totally agree with you, every on should do that to teach them a lesson cause without consumers who are they going to charge that extra & if they don’t listen register complain against them in nearest local consumer court.

    • Bandhan Preet Singh December 28, 2014 12:35 am

      Thumbs UP !!!

  • kingston December 26, 2014 1:22 pm

    If govt not react on this issue, Soon we have to pay separately for IM services.

  • Tariq - Chennai December 26, 2014 12:20 pm

    guys use “hotspot shield” to make free calls over Voip on airtel

  • mohit - Maharashtra December 26, 2014 11:55 am

    This is wrong move.
    They have increased price of data packs heavily…and now they expect us to pay for VoIP..
    WhatsApp is about to launch Voice Call feature soon and i am damn sure that people will choose WhatsApp over Airtel.
    Users will definitely port to other service providers…

    what do u think?

  • Rahul - Maharashtra December 26, 2014 9:25 am

    Cheaters Airtel rejected my port out request to Tata Docomo. This is my 5th MNP request being rejected by Airtel. Such a stupid peoples. Their retention bastards call me and ask me to avail offers and cancel port out every time and I tell I want to port out but these idiots make remark as customer regained and reject my port out request what a shame. This time I warned them to listen to every recorded calls and see where I said to cancel my port out so again I am told to opt for port out and this time all my requests will be done on nodal level. But after 5 times ? means is customer is born to do this only ? again generate UPC code and visit store submit documents and all. Strict actions should be taken on this kind of harassment its very frustrating.

    • preet December 26, 2014 11:34 am

      file a complaint at local consumer court and you will get approximately Rs.10,000 as compensation for litigation/harassment/unfair means of business practice.
      Then only they will learn lesson.
      Stood up for your Right..!!

      • Rahul - Maharashtra December 26, 2014 12:00 pm

        Hello preet,
        Already registered complaints on portals like grahakseva and consumercomplaints. Now also registered complaint on pgportal.gov.in. Hope these bastards learn lesson with this.

        • hanger998 December 26, 2014 2:49 pm

          they are the worst cheater in the country, other operators will try to hear what you say but this airtel is worst, they dictate their terms to customer, now they wanna to show how to use unternet to users, teach them a lesson for unethical practices…

  • san - Cochin December 25, 2014 10:41 pm

    For text chatting via viber?

  • hanger998 December 25, 2014 8:04 pm

    i dont blame airtel, any greedy business house will do that, did data packets for voip cost them extra? without any statistics to show they are losing business of anticipated anxiety of voip at starting stage so there is no evidence to show revenue loss just form of revenue is gonna change from voice to data …
    moreover their users are arrogant and dump enough to pay for this some are defending it… but focus is not on money but on net neutrality…… who will not try to understand ppp average indian is different from us citizen, net neutrality but what is thier iq level of these users are based on brand image myth of these broker pi@mp company…

  • SS - New Delhi December 25, 2014 5:46 pm

    Airtel is an al queda of Indian telecom market. Most bizzarie rules of industry are created only by airtel. I am shocked, disappointed and angry over this move.

    However, this was inevitable. When Jio will launch 4G next year, it has to lower data charges to a new low extent. And airtel is afraid that if Whatsapp launches calling facility then it will loose 70% of its revenues causing serious consequences. However, this step taken now will backfire. Already no one uses skype IN INDIA to call others IN INDIA. What airtel was loosing currently was tiny revenues from international calls which they will still continue to loose. This step has created a lot of publicity and it might results in crores of fine if regulatory body takes appropriate steps.

    But for now #deathtoairtel

  • bharat December 25, 2014 5:30 pm

    by the way as per norms minimum speed on 3g is 256kbps but FUPs are violating it openly. trust me nothing can be done about airtel voip charges

    • Sudhakar December 25, 2014 5:34 pm

      Well said. Because no operators cared when internet strike was observed in India on 31st Oct 2014. Some selfish persons didn’t join lowering the number protestors.

  • Kapil - Delhi December 25, 2014 5:00 pm

    Trust owned by Bharti Airtel donated a total of Rs 413,720,000 to BJP. This was expected.
    Corporat Sarkaar!

    • Sudhakar December 25, 2014 5:31 pm

      Proof?.

      • Kapil - Delhi December 26, 2014 5:59 pm

        The report filed by the trust owned by Airtel Bharti said while it donated a total of Rs 413,720,000 to BJP.

  • Soorma - Amritsar December 25, 2014 4:26 pm

    Here all the people talk without getting the fact that operators have all the right to monetize and seek newer areas for revenues and one area is sinking they have to milk another to save the business and company. Here most are talking about net neutrality and many other things and also asking operators to reduce data charges. I have been to US and NZ where every 8 out of 10 people use VoIP but mobile Internet is not the one which is fulfilling that cause. Mobile data plans in developed and some developing countries are 10 times costlier than India. Why people do not understand that operators are going thru falling ARPU. Voice services are their stream to get most of revenues and if that revenues is sinking 75% because of use of VoIP apps which uses data service as medium they have all the right to charge more for data and I don’t think there should be problem, with paying extra. If you are saving your money by using these free Apps which are designed by some countries especially US just to affect the business/economy in other countries then telcos have to charge it. People here want data charges to be less than 50 for 1 GB of data so that they can use free VoIP and also save on voice. What is operator getting after spending crores on spectrum, infra, marketing, salaries and so on? I think 1GB @250 is a great level and those who can’t pay should be subsidized by Govt itself which just fill their own coffins first and then ask operator to keep tariffs low. I think Indian Govt should come forward and show the world the blueprints for a business where input cost should be high and revenues/profits should be low.

    • Esmail December 25, 2014 5:12 pm

      Sure Airtel has the right to choose what ever strategy it sees fit to increase its ARPU. But what it is forgetting is that it is not the only operator in the market and competition is stiff. ARPU stands for average revenue per user and what will Airtel achieve if it increases the revenue but decreases the userbase which will not think twice before porting out to another operator who doesn’t charge differentially for VoIP and still delivers quality service? If Airtel thinks that other operators will follow in its footsteps and charge separately for VoIP then it is mistaken.

    • Sudhakar December 25, 2014 5:27 pm

      What a senseless comment !!!!.

      Do you know what is the meaning of ‘paying extra’ and ‘charging seperately’?.
      If you want, get out from India. Can you point a single PAN India mobile operator that gives at least 3.6 Mbps download 3G speed and at least 2 Mbps upload 3G speed everywhere, anytime to each and every user?.

      Indians are paying high considering the price to the quality ratio. All the Indian mobile operators have killed the 2G speed to less than 10 KB / s at most of the areas. There is not even a single PAN India operator that gives 256 Kbps upload and 256 Kbps download 2G EDGE speed (when used seperately) everywhere, anytime to each and every user.

      The shameless mobile operators in India are charging for SMS during the 5 festive days even if booster pack is enabled. But the validity of the SMS pack will not be extended to cope up with the festive days.

      So people move towards online messaging, VoIP apps. Soon the shameless, heartless, drainage water flowing airtel will charge seperately for online texting pack, VoIP pack, unlimited airtime pack (note that in 2002 and all mobile operators charged outgoing call rate + airtime charge), internet browsing only pack etc and kill the mobile internet in India.

      To the shameless airtel :
      What will you do if your wired broadband customers use VoIP only and stop using landline for outgoing calls?.

      • aashu - roorkee December 25, 2014 6:14 pm

        Well said after so many months

        • Sudhakar December 25, 2014 7:23 pm

          I am saying this whenever there is any measure that is going to be against the customers.

      • Mr Bhola - Rourkela December 26, 2014 8:05 am

        Completely agree with you.

    • SS - new delhi December 25, 2014 5:54 pm

      Your facts are wrong!

      1. Unlike India, operators in US and UK force you to select plans even for prepaid. For prepaid, even the lowest calling plan has plenty of minutes. Mid range plans have unlimited minutes. (in US).

      2. VOIP is still used by majority only for internet calls.

      3. India’s percapita income is 3k $ whereas US has around 53k $ but india has high population. Also i have seen UK’s plans, they are cheaper only US carriers are looters.

      4. China Mobile is the largest operator revenue wise in the world but its plans are cheap. Why???

      5. If you get water supply and they mix in chemicals to forbid you to use it for bathing purpose, how would you feel?

    • Bandhan Preet Singh December 25, 2014 6:20 pm

      Have You seen Data packs from BSNL ??
      How could you say that Rs.250 for 1Gb is alright.? Don’t generalise the term. Just say that your pocket allows 250 rs for 1Gb. Now see the below link for cheapest data packs from BSNL (1Gb for Rs.139).

      And now pls don’t day blah…blah about BSNL & its customer service. If it was so poor than it wont stand at 4th place in Mobile Connections. The positive about BSNL is that its available at every nook n corner of the country. It really improving its services day by day. I guess next year people will start loving BSNL more.

      • Sudhakar December 25, 2014 8:13 pm

        BSNL network quality is worst. If you disconnect the mobile data and reconnect or if you change the network between 2G and 3G, the mobile data will take 3 to 5 minutes to connect again.

        In Aircel, it is not the case. The mobile data gets connected within 10 seconds of enabling or changing the network mode (2G or 3G).

        Note : I am talking about Tamilnadu circle in the above cases.

        • Sayantan - Kolkata December 25, 2014 9:07 pm

          In kolkata I think its the worst.I dont get networks at some of the busiest places in my city on open roads.The signal bar keeps on vanishing one by one as soon as you try to initiate a call even though it shows full network and then finally the network disappears completely.I agree that BSNL is present in every nook n corner of the country but how many times in a year are we traveling to those nook n corners that we need to keep a BSNL sim.Generally the places I visit mostly has networks of all operators.So I dont need to worry about the about the nooks and corners where only BSNL is present.Also BSNL is very costly in Kolkata.We dont have any sms pack providing certain amount of free sms.All the sms packs have chargeable sms.Call rate is also high.

          • sunny December 27, 2014 6:08 pm

            Hey Sayantan.. SMS packs are there already..
            Rs 11 – 130sms for 7 days
            Rs 20 – 265 sms for 15 days
            Rs 33 – 385 sms for 30 days
            Rs 52 – 860 sms for 30 days
            Rs 83 – 1650 sms for 30 days
            Rs 147 – 3000sms for 60 days

            • Sayantan - Kolkata December 27, 2014 11:38 pm

              No sunny,those sms packs are valid in Kolkata circle.They are for the rest of India.BSNL ha a dedicated site for kolkata circle where these sms packs are not mentioned.Even the HELP STV sms they dont have these sms packs.Else I would have jumped into BSNL.

    • sandeep - kollam December 25, 2014 9:08 pm

      @Soorma,

      Its not only about VOIP Soorma.They are slowly trying to monetize how we use the internet.If we too keep quite like TRAI or our government these guys will get emboldened and go ahead and in the long run slowly dictate the terms and conditions for using internet,US,UK and other countries are diff.there teh govts atleast intervene in such things.Our government provides support to such cheats.But we can change this.We have to decide if we need an Internet thats also regulated further by operators who decide how to use internet.

    • hanger998 December 25, 2014 9:10 pm

      first know what is ppp of average indian citizen is different from us , moreover auctioning of us telecom charges are different from india, if staffs of airtel gonna demand of salary to their counterpart of us citizen with stringent labour laws, pay for the all the working peoples in india according us norms and ask them again for apps, music, inernet piracy dont go overboard linux , open source models are legal software for poors in the world… internet neutrality philosophy is different from business model but u have to balance, give some proof for ur claim that revenues are lost, but source of revenue of operators gonna change from voice to data, but not revenue is lost,,,,, finally these companies are quoting importing of softwares and telecom equipments in low rate, unethical practice will be tolerated in us???, they will lay huge fines for these fraudsters………

    • hanger998 December 25, 2014 9:36 pm

      these company are running business in india not in usa so telecom auction charge is different, can you show proof for ur claim of revenue loss, revenue is gonna change from voice to data, do you think they are providing consistent speed anywhere in coverage areas?, do these towers radiation of these companies are environment friendly? according to ur damn us, nz standards, please provide salaries for ur staff according to ur us ,nz level salaries with stringent labour laws, focus is not on money but on net neutrality, i am commenting this on my legal software ubuntu, linux and opensource is legal free for everyone….

    • Anand - Coimbatore December 26, 2014 3:32 pm

      I wish you should pay 750 Rupess for a buger here in india. (A burger in California cost $12) ????????????

      Don’t compare the price rates with foreign countries. We here not discussing about the internet plan rates. We are against charging for VoIP calls. Extortion.!!!!

  • Nirakar Panda December 25, 2014 2:55 pm

    First of all I would like to congratulate all the team members especially Tharun George of Telecom Talk for making this News in lime light.
    Even Times of India has taken the clue and given the credit to Telecom Talk for reporting this issue which has been silently put on the millions of customers by one of the leading mobile company of AVOID Group.
    I feel this is a very serious issue as this will change the entire scenario in the indian telecom market, where the internet is said to be cheaper.
    I am sure that other members of the AVOID group will take the chance of Toothless, Harmless and operator Friendly regulatory authority, who never felt that nothing is wrong with operator.
    Although, SMS rates could not be brought down, National Roaming could be not be free, all Country MNP could not be implemented and so on but the regulatory authority is silent.
    Hence I personally belive that the Net Nutrality is completely violated by such moves and I am sure that by taking the help of Zero IT act operators will impliment such charges in future too…
    So

    • Tharun George December 25, 2014 5:21 pm

      Thank you.

      Got this scoop from a source 🙂

      • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 25, 2014 9:05 pm

        @THARUN,

        i HAVE RAISED A PETITION AT CHANGE.ORG FOR THIS.i Hope you too support this cause and lets hope that our voice gets heard.I would then send it to TRAI and telecom ministry.Please sign it and urge your friends too.

        To all the TT users who did sign up thanks a lot for the support.Please spread the word.Please find the link to the petition below
        change.org/p/telecom-regulatory-authority-of-india-minister-of-telecom-india-request-trai-to-stop-airtel-from-charging-voip-users-and-protect-net-neutrality-at-par-with-other-nations

        • Sayantan - Kolkata December 25, 2014 9:08 pm

          19 more signatures need.Com’on guys.

        • Tharun George December 26, 2014 9:53 am

          Signed it.

        • Darshan December 26, 2014 10:51 am

          +1 Even i signed it

        • Viraj - Mumbai December 26, 2014 3:08 pm

          signed it.

        • Esmail - Mumbai December 26, 2014 3:37 pm

          Signed it

  • shashi - Mumbai December 25, 2014 2:37 pm

    Is it applicable even on WiFi?? oh my good.. just saw 10 people ported out from Airtel…Let Airtel get mad… Airtel should hang it.. LoL.. I am find hardly using it Airtel. my all friends on tata, aircel and rcom… most on Aircel in Mumbai..
    plse port in aircel.. aircel improving coverage ..

    • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 25, 2014 2:53 pm

      @SASI

      porting wont help.Airtel is testing the waters.If nobody complains other operators will slowly follow suite.Now this initially would be VOIP…few months after they would say Facebook and wats app eating into our revenues.SO charge these seperately.And believe me other operators would also follow.Nobody is a holy cow in INDIA.So porting may save u initially…but not for too long

    • Vivek December 25, 2014 2:55 pm

      aircel is not there in all areas… i mean aircel is not there in some region of karnataka

  • SRINIVAS - delhi December 25, 2014 2:10 pm

    Net neutrality (also network neutrality, Internet neutrality or net equality) is the principle that Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or mode of communication.

  • kingston December 25, 2014 1:57 pm

    Where our PM Mr.Mod ji gone? Youths dont believe Modi ji. He is just speaking Digital India but he will not do anything. If he is a genuine, he should speak with telecom operators to lower the data packs but what he is doing is one side he speaking Digital India other side he supporting telecom operators to hike data tariff. So don’t believe Modi.

  • sandeep - Kollam December 25, 2014 1:14 pm

    I request TT editors to create a story on this petition and post it on TT so that more people can notice this.I think the readers we have here itself will give us a lot of supporters.Let us together defeat these cheaters.
    change.org/p/telecom-regulatory-authority-of-india-minister-of-telecom-india-request-trai-to-stop-airtel-from-charging-voip-users-and-protect-net-neutrality-at-par-with-other-nations

    • APpL€ LoVeR™ December 25, 2014 2:19 pm

      I really appreciate your idea,well done.And i put questions in front of you for two reasons:
      1) People reading your statement will sign the petition just blindly without completely understanding what does this stands for,they should know that this petition is only in favour of us, so called’ customers’ not in favor of airtel, who signing this petition should never expect a change in airtel’s policy.
      2) People should know the reason for this havoc,from the given three options, they are free to choose any according to their overall view in the telecom sector of our country:
      – Privatization of telecom sector
      -government’s spectrum pricing
      -accumulation of 215.46 million customers to a single telecom company called ‘airtel’

      • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 25, 2014 2:57 pm

        @Apple Lover
        Thanks for your excellent idea to get it clarified.Yes this is not aimed at airtel/vodafone or any specific operator but against the idea that they are trying to get ratified in INDIA.This petition is directed towards sector regulator TRAI and the Telecom ministry.These are the people who should be protecting us.When they stay silent all of us have a right to question them as to why they are silent.Coz we still live in a democracy,no matter how much flawed it is.

        • hanger998 December 25, 2014 9:18 pm

          good

  • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 25, 2014 12:49 pm

    Please sign this petition raised at change.org.Ltes see if citizens can do something when our regulators behave like mute spectators.Airtel has money power.Lets us find out how much power we have to force decisions.GOI shouldnt be there to help companies but should at least for once think of the common person who pays through his nose for the already costly services.Lets prove Airtel wrong TT readers.

    change.org/p/telecom-regulatory-authority-of-india-minister-of-telecom-india-request-trai-to-stop-airtel-from-charging-voip-users-and-protect-net-neutrality-at-par-with-other-nations

    • APpL€ LoVeR™ December 25, 2014 1:05 pm

      Is there a network called ‘ BSNL’ in your state?

      • APpL€ LoVeR™ December 25, 2014 1:11 pm

        i never sign on this because for me, airtel is nothing (big 0 in my view) in my country,there is another 11 operators in this country.

        • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 25, 2014 1:24 pm

          And let me tell u i am a BSNL kerala Subscriber.Still i stand with our other mobile users as this menace will spread.Dont think this will stop with Airtel.All your 11 operators will slowly follow suite if this goes on unchallenged and finally TRAI will make this into a legal thing.Then we all will face the music.

      • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 25, 2014 1:22 pm

        @AppleLover

        Dude its not about BSNL or anything.Airtel has just lickstarted it.Every operator would follow suit if we keep quite.I mean every operator..BSNL.MTNL.IDEA etc etc.At the end all want to generate revenues.
        One day u will have to pay per website and dont think this is exaggeration.our countrys regulators are so toothless and corrupt that companies will take us for a ride till we stand up and speak against it.
        U may be able to escape it on the short term bu porting but believe me not many will do it.People will say “I dont use VOIP.Why should i care”.Tomorrow some would say the same when something else is banned and this will continue.I just need your signature to the petition as a first step in this protest and if u wish help us all by sharing this further and getting it signed.Together our power can defeat these cheaters.

        “I too dont use VOIP ” but i did this so that tomorrow all of us dont face similar restrictions on our internet.So that we dont see the divisions on our internet as we see in our society.

        • APpL€ LoVeR™ December 25, 2014 1:34 pm

          OK….If you think this will help,you carry on……….

        • APpL€ LoVeR™ December 25, 2014 1:41 pm

          i still don’t understand what you mean!!!!
          One question for you,what is the reason for this havoc???is it that,company private airtel/governments spectrum pricing/ 215.46 million airtel customers ???

          • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 25, 2014 2:11 pm

            This is a recent demand that started in US.There people protested and Americas FCC finally decided to stop this.
            Airtel ,Vodafone and some other operators had a few months ago asked TRAi to charge users using Wats app and similar apps.TRAi had started a discussion which could have materialized.But a huge protest by netizens in INDIA finally pushed TRAI to say that never will they allow this and that operators cannot charge seperately for any Apps that uses data.

            Still Airtel yesterday went ahead and did that exactly.What does that show:-

            1.Either TRAI made a back deal agreement with Airtel.
            2.Airtel is testing the waters.If nobody complains other operators will slowly follow suite.

            Now this initially would be VOIP…few months after they would say Facebooka nd wats app eating into our revenues.SO charge these seperately.And believe me other operators would also follow.Nobody is a holy cow in INDIA.
            Who loses????Us…u , me and other netizens.Slowly down the years only India will have a fractured internet like our society.European nations have a stern law that prohibits this.If you want to learn more read on “Net neutrality” and you will understand why this huge noise today….

          • sandeep - Kollam,kerala December 25, 2014 2:32 pm

            Its not about private or public.In our country every company flouts rules.If u go back around 6-8 months ago all operators mainly airtel and Vodafone approached TRAI to let them chrge watsapp messages and such OTT apps as they were losing revenues.Finally TRAI agreed and started consultation which would have definitly made into a directive or law.however Aware netizens put up a huge protest.It gathered attention and TRAI said “We drop this proposal fianlly and that no operator should in future even consider this as they have the option to factor this in their data pack pricing”.
            Now see what Airtel did.They not only implemented it but is challenging TRAI.TRAI’s silence is
            really deafening as they arent even responding to this.
            Now other operators are waiting and watching.Should Airtel get away with this they would soon follow and slowly arm twist TRAI to turn this legal.Finally every single operator will implement this.
            This would be just the start.We Indians would slowly no more have freedom on Internet.IDEA,Airtel,Vodafone,Bsnl etc would decide what u should browse and in which way.Thats why net-neutrality matters.Today if we keep quiet.we would be the losers at the end.People with power and money will still have access to internet without any restriction as we see in our society today.I dont want this type of “POLICED INETRNET” and so are many others who have signed up.Its not about pvt/public or scams.Its about our rights..ur.mine and everyone elses.

  • Keshav Jha - Mumbai December 25, 2014 12:17 pm

    Who tells AVoId to buy costly spectrum? They bid high & think that they should only get spectrum and then start saying that due to costly spectrum tariff will increase?
    Guys enjoy Airtel services, I am happy with Reliance CDMA & MTNL.

  • Saurabh December 25, 2014 11:51 am

    I don’t think that other networks will follow this. Airtel gone mad not others………..

    • Sayantan - Kolkata December 25, 2014 12:00 pm

      Yes,even I think that.

  • Esmail - Mumbai December 25, 2014 11:30 am

    Airtel must have made prior behind the scene agreement with Vodafone and idea that soon even they will follow suit ensuring that the subscriber is cornered from all sides, but Vodafone and idea may have decided to wait and watch the market reaction and then decide whether or not to follow. If now Vodafone and idea advertise saying that they will not be charging extra for VoIP then they could eat away at airtel’s market share and airtel could lose its number 1 position. Hoping to see the cartel back stabbing each other.

    • Sayantan - Kolkata December 25, 2014 12:01 pm

      Yes,absolutely.I think very soon there will be a fight among the cartels.If not now then definitely after Jio’s launch.

  • Ram December 25, 2014 11:08 am

    Send PORT to 1900

    • Saurabh December 25, 2014 11:30 am

      Right….

  • Anoop.R December 25, 2014 9:36 am

    Airtel and other companies should gone for this a long time ago.Now they got in to sense that they can’t get enough income by hiking data tariff because it only result in losing subscribers but VoIP is another story

  • Anoop.R December 25, 2014 9:24 am

    Good move by airtel other companies should follow it . Now every one know the gravity of the situation(hiking data tariff)

  • XYZ - balasore December 25, 2014 8:41 am

    As my per my knowledge , Jio also do the same in future. Because I am working for a company which is testing the blocking feature called DPI (Deep Packet Inspection) or you can say it’s a feature to charge/block each website separately. So don’t keep high hopes from Jio.

  • Andy - New Delhi December 25, 2014 8:20 am

    It is totally irrational to charge for VOIP services when users has subscribed for 2G/ 3G data. Charging for Service over a subscribed VAS defies all the net neutrality principle. How can TRAI let it get through? How come any company like Airtel pass on its lower APRU to users, it sounds absurd. Airtel’s QOS is so poor. I think they should concentrate and work pragmatically on improving QOS in there networks rather than thinking of over charging subscribers.

    • guru December 25, 2014 11:16 am

      welcome to 2004
      where we had to pay more for socket connection.
      and our internet was thru proxy

  • Sudhakar December 25, 2014 8:15 am

    Post.born, drainage running airtel will do like this only. MNP is there.

  • PD December 25, 2014 8:06 am

    Preparing for harakiri. Also Airtel is getting ready coffin by itself. Remember nobody can stop advancement of technology. Airtel thinks others too will follow, well, may be but get ready to bear the brunt ! Another shock will be from Jio….

  • Arif - Navi Mumbai December 25, 2014 7:32 am

    Use Wi-Fi. Already most of offices and houses are now equipped with Wi-Fi router. When I on my Wi-Fi in mobile I get lot of signal, it indicates a number of router is on in near by my house.

  • senthil - Chennai December 25, 2014 7:28 am

    Airtel again shown the creuty to the customers. This is the worst network in the world to rob the customers. Leading other networks to rob customers. Govt also not regulating all these.

  • Aravind - Bangalore December 25, 2014 6:56 am

    This is what is called Achche dhin of Modi’s era.

    • guru December 25, 2014 11:17 am

      +1

  • Jagannath December 25, 2014 6:49 am

    WTF??
    Why only Voip? Why not start charging for each individual website or each individual mobile app on top of a regular internet pack? Why have the internet pack itself? Maybe some day you will start charging for what people do on the internet. I download an mp3 file, I pay extra. I download a movie or watch a YouTube video and get charged extra. I buy something on an e-commerce site and you charge me some extra commission. Come up with more such shitty business plans… n customers will leave your network.

    Seriously.. F**k you Airtel.

  • 4GManiac December 25, 2014 3:42 am

    @Failtel, part of the Bharti Enterprises, just a sound advise from me, go back to where it all started, you are only good at selling “BYCYCLES”! Telecom is not your cup of tea/coffee. Amen.

  • Raghuram - Hyderabad December 25, 2014 3:08 am

    i do not what Airtel is thinking abt themselves. this move should be taken back immediately. Net neutrality has to be mentioned. Unacceptable Airtel. next Idea and Vodafone will follow this waste Airtel. very bad move.

  • abhijith - tamilnadu, nagercoil December 25, 2014 2:33 am

    always … who ever what ever offers I believe in bsnl wired broadband services … best for me … For coverage bsnl mobile number is primarily used … secondary number is tatadocomo … am once Airtel fan . but I impressed only with there quality network … but these Airte
    l madness make think twice before u leap

  • Sagar December 25, 2014 2:32 am

    Global carriers will offer free wifi calling on iPhones and other compatible phones, and in India… forget free wifi calling… we are getting charged for VoIP! IT’s our bloody internet… the fuck are you to decide what do we do with it Airtel! I am not using Airtel anyways… greedy leech!

  • Vivek December 25, 2014 2:29 am

    Why the hell no one is against Airtel from our government, I know customers are against this but what can they do??? Honestly NOTHING…
    People who are so f**king rich, they don’t care and people who really cares the price hike, they are so f**king common that they can’t stand up against this.
    So ultimately give it a time, everyone will gonna pay new rates and may be for new plans Airtel is gonna come with as “Skype/Viber Packs”.
    End of the story!!!!

    And someone will ask, “What about Net Neutrality??”
    half of the people gonna Google it and other half gonna sit back and relax….

  • Saswata - Kolkata December 25, 2014 1:52 am

    It seems that very soon.. they will charge for checking prepaid balance.. lol..!!

    • Adithya Vardhan - Hyderabad December 25, 2014 12:31 pm

      The best satirical comment in the history of TT
      I appreciate…

      No wonder if airtel does it

  • Abrar December 25, 2014 1:47 am

    Well rather than moving with the flow, Airtel is swimming against it. There is no doubt that AVOID group is filled with incompetent people who don’t have any vision. After launch of 3G in 2010 these operators would have easily provided value for money plans by capping the speed limit to a decent 512 kbps. Rather they charged heavily without meeting QOS standards. And how one would have expected from them to provide decent speeds at affordable rates when they couldn’t provide atleast 256 Kbps on EDGE (2.75G) before launch of 3G?
    Telecom companies like AVOID are on the wrong path from the beginning as far as data is concerned and internet is giving them nightmares. But controlling internet will be a very difficult task for them and any further attempt will alienate their customers more. Rather innovating these companies have just imitated each other like monkeys and now it has become their habit.
    On the other hand companies like Whatsapp, hike, telegram, viber etc. has brought internet to the masses and now even people who haven’t touched a computer are aware of it. Rather than helping INDIA bridge the digital divide these companies are creating hindrances to achieve it.
    Therefore it has become imperative for all of us to come together and oppose such move in loudest form ever.

  • Esmail December 25, 2014 12:50 am

    Looking at what whatsapp did to SMS, Airtel is scared that when whatsapp launches voice calling early next year it will eat away at its main cash source which still continues to be voice. By launching a separate data plan for VoIP they plan to make good their losses. When Jio launches next year they will be offering voice services through a similar but more advanced protocol to VoIP which is called VoLTE where they will have their own app similar to Viber which will let users call other mobiles and they will have their own plans for the same and as far as I can guess they will offer Jio to Jio free and cheap calling to other operators. But they will not charge separately for using other VoIP apps like viber or skype and will honour net neutrality.

  • sandeep December 25, 2014 12:29 am

    I have raised a petition to TRAi and telecom minister at change.org
    change.org/p/telecom-regulatory-authority-of-india-minister-of-telecom-india-request-trai-to-stop-airtel-from-charging-voip-users-and-protect-net-neutrality-at-par-with-other-nations

    Could all of you here sign this petition and also ask you friends to do the same so that i can forward this to the telecom minister and also to stop this injustice by indian operators making a mockery of us and indian regulators?

    • Sudhakar December 25, 2014 8:16 am

      I have signed.

    • Iyappan - Bangalore December 25, 2014 9:05 am

      Signed

      • Sayantan - Kolkata December 25, 2014 12:12 pm

        Signed.I request the moderators to keep sandeep’s comment right at the top so that others could see the link and sign.

      • Adithya Vardhan - Hyderabad December 25, 2014 12:32 pm

        Me Too

    • SRINIVAS - delhi December 25, 2014 1:50 pm

      signed against injustice

  • amit - mumbai December 25, 2014 12:05 am

    how can airtel identify voip data from regular data.
    if encrypted, theres just no way they can do that.

    • KA December 25, 2014 12:40 pm

      there is something called deep packet inspection(DPI), by which they know what websites you visit. that is the same way it block websites banned in India (if you cant view banned websites even by changing DNS that means DPI is being used by your ISP)

  • Umesh Desai - Ahmedabad December 24, 2014 11:59 pm

    I had worse experience of airtel too. I was having 2G pack of 2gb Data @Rs.98 per month. Airtel slash down my speed up to 18 kpbs . I also noticed that in same mobile hand set by inserting Prepaid Sim , I Received 48 to 104 kpbs speed. I understood strategy of Airtel against me. I struggled and ultimately I surrendered my plan by deactivating.

    Now a days , I use broadband connectivity through WiFi at Home and By MTS WiFi Dongle on way. Also planning for MiFi Device. Till the moment these Stupid Money Sucker Giants Prevails , to Stop them , We Have to Boycott their Services of 2G and 3G connectivity. Automatically They will compelled to Cancell their money huger Activities.
    Go on these Options . They will be compelled to slash down their tariff to 1/4 from Current.
    Get United , Get as We Wish.

  • Max - Mumbai December 24, 2014 11:59 pm

    Reliance/Tata/BSNL/aircel/uninor. In most places either one of these has decent network. AVOID needs to be taught a lesson. Port out!

  • Kaushik Roy December 24, 2014 11:28 pm

    2015 will be the year of tariff hike in Indian Telecom due to coming spectrum auction as warned by COAI and probably new rules of merger and acquisition (if happen)
    Number of operators to be reduced in every circle

  • vivek December 24, 2014 11:26 pm

    Airtel spokesperson said, “We have made some
    revisions in the composition of our data packs, and
    will offer VoIP (Voice over internet protocol)
    connectivity through an independent pack that will be
    launched shortly. Our customers can continue
    enjoying voice calls over data connectivity by opting
    for this VoIP pack”

  • Deepak December 24, 2014 10:53 pm

    Lets start a hashtag on Twitter who is with me!

    #netneutrality mention Airtel presence

    • sandeep - kollam December 24, 2014 11:43 pm

      I am with u on this.I also suggest we make a change.org petition to the telecom ministry.we should also think about filing an RTI to know the governments take on this

  • krish December 24, 2014 10:42 pm

    I think every one should port out from avoid. I have one valid question , if they charge for voip then in android phones hangouts automatically uses some data. Then also we have to pay for it. So poor from airtel. Port out . Portout. Port out.

    • Sudhakar December 25, 2014 8:16 am

      Yes. Better generate UPC and keep it ready.

  • Akhil Mohan - Kochi December 24, 2014 10:03 pm

    Tharun, where did you get the info.
    Please share the link.

  • Zain Sher - Mumbai December 24, 2014 10:01 pm

    Best way is to boycott this stupid Airtel. Port to Vodafone. I did it today. Vodafone has better coverage and clarity in network.

    • Sudhakar December 24, 2014 10:10 pm

      Ported to vodafone?. Lol. Even vodafone will follow soon. The you must stick to rotten vadafone !!!. Lol.

      • bharat December 25, 2014 12:14 am

        And then the so called watch dogs will follow this (mtnl and bsnl)

        • Sudhakar December 25, 2014 8:18 am

          There are 1 year data packs in BSNL. Lets subscribe to it and stay trouble free at least for 1 year. Simple.

          Anyway BSNL won’t do so immediately. They are lazy to implement any measures – whether it is for or against the customer.

  • etios December 24, 2014 9:58 pm

    Airtel is a parasite, i would be happy to see these assholes go bankrupt. More power to Reliance Jio, we should ask everyone we know to change their providers from Airtel to any other company.

    • Ken Westmoreland - Singapore February 20, 2015 10:08 pm

      Airtel a ‘parasite’? It invests millions in infrastructure and employs 25000 people, feeding many more. How many people do Skype or Viber employ in India? I use VoIP services around the world, but I’m not so tight-fisted that I won’t even pay 1 or 2 US cents a minute to call India – less than Viber Out, by the way. Sure, national telco monopolies are bad, and even worse in small countries, but replacing them with a global monopoly courtesy of Skype or Viber is a massive step backwards both economically and politically. The irony, of course, is that Skype and Viber would be forced to interconnect with each other, something they’ve refused to do with any other VoIP service.

  • Akhil Mohan - Kochi December 24, 2014 9:47 pm

    I am not an AirTel user but I can’t resist my anger.
    Fuck You AirTel.
    TT Please dont edit my post. If its absolutely necessary put ** in there.

    What will be the future iff it goes like this.
    In 2016 their plans will be like Rs 200 – 1GB Google search 1 month
    Rs 500 – 500MB Facebook 1 month
    Rs 750 – 250MB Whatsapp for 1 month
    Like this they will have data packs for each and every website on Internet.

    Again Fuck you AirTel.

    Allengi venda. Poyi chaveda Airtel polayadi mone.

    • Shahin - Trivandrum December 24, 2014 10:37 pm

      malayali aanu alle..!!

      😀

      • mahesh - kochi December 25, 2014 6:10 am

        machaaneeeee…..
        super…… eee kopile airtel ne kondu tooottuu………. oridathum range um illa…. enna kola kattiyum aanu…..

    • deril - tvm December 25, 2014 8:08 am

      superb macha……

  • abhorrence December 24, 2014 9:41 pm

    Airtel is one of the dirt worst telecom companies operating in the country. Net neutrality is anyway being violated left, right, up down in India, this just makes it more official. Fuck this company and its policies. Here’s hoping Reliance Jio somehow comes through and offers good enough service and plans for people to ditch this abortion of a company.

  • blueman December 24, 2014 9:36 pm

    Phuq chrotel

  • srinivas - delhi December 24, 2014 9:21 pm

    i think this move of airtel is pretty unfair,, why do these companies want to dictate which apps to use or not ,,Data should be technology neutral . We are already paying so highly for data packs ,… 249 /Gb for one month. Airtel should have no business to tell how we use it .. Now Voda , idea will surely follow blindly . Govt ,trai should intervene to stop this OPEN loot

  • praveen - kochi December 24, 2014 9:11 pm

    why crying? this was expected. the mobile operators in this country has been let loose by the so called government regulators like TRAI. look at the steady hikes in data and voice services from one year alone. people in this country has been reduced to begging on roads by the unholy nexus between politicians, bureaucrats and unscrupulous businessmen. let them plunder us, who CARES????

  • naveen December 24, 2014 8:59 pm

    I am sure STAY on this rule should be initiated. I think it should not be a big issue…..

  • Darshan December 24, 2014 8:53 pm

    I don’t understand what do you want airtel….
    You hiked data tariff thentoo your stomach is half empty
    Grow up or soon you will see yourself from #1 position to no position
    And actually no complain from Maharashtra users because hardly any1 uses airtel (Sorry for again repeating) Uninor is better than you in Maharashtra

    • Darshan December 24, 2014 8:55 pm

      After few days there will be news airtel starts charging for using IM’s via 2g or 3G

    • Sudhakar December 24, 2014 10:27 pm

      Is airtel working in your t.c company mobile?. Lol.

      • Darshan December 24, 2014 11:47 pm

        Yup ????

        • Sudhakar December 25, 2014 8:19 am

          You are using t.c company mobile and using costly mobile network. Lol. What a mismatch !!!.

          • APpL€ LoVeR™ December 25, 2014 1:07 pm

            Darshan,you earlier used iphone,right?
            now,which phone are you using?Microsoft lumia?

  • toofan dash - jamshedpur December 24, 2014 8:51 pm

    Fuckkkk u airtel

  • addy December 24, 2014 8:47 pm

    o.m.g. what m i reading. i think airtel has gone out of world. No operator in this globe did like this. What happen to net neutrility? They are playing with law. And Airtel should be fined for same.

  • H4x0r - TX, US December 24, 2014 8:42 pm

    Bad move by Airtel, I hope TRAI does something on this (usually I have seen Indian authorities are damn slow).
    BTW it should not be a matter of concern for power user at least, you can easily disguise the VOIP data as HTTP data.
    But still a pretty lame move by Airtel

  • Ghouse - chennai December 24, 2014 8:32 pm

    We must go out of airtel then only airtel will realize

  • Nishchal Gautam - Bangalore December 24, 2014 8:09 pm

    I’d like to say a few things to Bharti Airtel. First of all, You don’t own the Internet Asshole! Internet belongs to us. Me, my friend, my mom, dad, everyone, everyone who is reading this post and even those who aren’t basically, Internet belongs to everyone who is living on this planet.
    When Vint Cerf invented Internet, he didn’t patient it nor he charged for it. He gave it away for free. Internet is not for bunch of assholes like yourself or any one who want to try to make a huge profit for their business.
    First of all, be it TCP or VOIP or HTTP or any protocol at all, they all belong to a single family which is the Internet.
    You just can’t charge separate for type of protocol we’re using. When we’re paying you a huge amount of money for Internet service, you want more? You greedy assholes. If you want to make money why don’t you build your own service which people want and use. Internet is and always will be belonging to general people.
    When I’m paying fucking huge amount of money for internet service, you just can’t charge separately for different protocols.
    If we wait for some more time, you’ll start packages like: WhatsApp pack, Facebook pack, Google pack, Viber pack, YouTube pack and so on. You just don’t know the definition of Internet, when you have access to internet, you just have access to everything which is connected to Internet.
    I always use to say no hate intended but for this, yeah I hate Airtel and I hope some anonymous screw Airtel in such a bad way that they can never come back. I hope Airtel is dead and bankrupt.

    • Sayantan - Kolkata December 24, 2014 9:11 pm

      Wow!I really like your comment.Awesome.Hope the entire AVOID group is screwed in such a way that they learn their lesson.

    • Akhil Mohan - Kochi December 24, 2014 9:54 pm

      +100

    • Ni December 24, 2014 10:03 pm

      Simple way is …. port out ur nmbr.. milions ppl same time port out..

      • sree - HYD December 25, 2014 12:52 am

        No, the fitting reply would be like, you just use the airtel number just for incomming only and dont recharge/pay for any other service that way their ARPU would go down and yet they have to maintain their towers/infrastructure/employees…. etc.,. In that way we can hurt them.

    • Vivek December 25, 2014 2:32 am

      with this mentality dude….
      always….

  • Adithya Vardhan - Hyderabad December 24, 2014 8:06 pm

    I think in the coming days it will charge for ‘Like’ ‘Share’ ‘Add Friend’ ‘Accept Friend Request’ etc. etc…

  • sunil kushwaha - GHAZIABAD NCR December 24, 2014 7:44 pm

    C/P
    I thought operators in my country were greedy but this… But anyway. Let’s say they charge people for talking via Skype, following that logic some money should go to Skype too because they create and maintain the service (which is owned by Microsoft) and if Skype doesn’t get money then Microsoft sues Airtel. If I make something that is free and give it away, and someone else charges for it, I have the right to sue. So I don’t think this will go through

    • Nishchal Gautam December 24, 2014 8:10 pm

      Exactly. We can do that! Can’t we? If I’m giving something for free and someone else charges it, we can sue them 😀 Thanks dude. 😀

  • Bharat - Bangalore December 24, 2014 7:29 pm

    Saari Duniya ek taraf, Indian Mobile Operators ek taraf
    Saari Indian Operator ek taraf, saala Airtel ek taraf.
    I use Aircel in Bangalore, cheapest 3G you get if you opt for quarterly plans.

  • Shuvi - Srinagar December 24, 2014 7:12 pm

    I must say we must accept that paying for voip is need of time in comming days ISD STD LOCAL cals will move to voip and that can put pressure on telecom sector. May be its time to provide some smart internt packs like 100 rs 1gb browsing and 300 1 gb for browsing as wl as unlimited voip calls thats need of time.

    • naveen December 24, 2014 9:02 pm

      if 100 Rs for 1 GB then what else. SUPERRRR..

  • Padam Singh - Delhi December 24, 2014 6:51 pm

    I will port out my 15 years old number from Airtel. I have already cancelled their internet data connection. I don’t like reliance but I am happy that reliance jio is going to fuck airtel’s data revenue.

  • krish - Bangalore December 24, 2014 6:50 pm

    Hope they reverse this move; else might face a backlash of high end data users, especially dongle users. This could be another way to move subscribers to 4g network too…

  • Rahul - Maharashtra December 24, 2014 6:47 pm

    Wow I just ported from Airtel to Tata Docomo and was thinking that if my decision to port out from Airtel is right and just came to this article and I am just going to die in laughing !!!!!! What a great decision !!! Thank god I ported out of Airtel and chose Tata Docomo because soon Vodafone and Idea should be following same as always !

  • karthi December 24, 2014 6:31 pm

    TRAI didn’t take a single step which favour to the public. Its always supporting mobile operators.

    • susmit December 24, 2014 9:09 pm

      TRAI is a joke

  • Ravi Kumar - Jabalpur December 24, 2014 6:01 pm

    Airtel must recall that here are many operators in India.
    I will port out to Idea or Vodafone.
    Even reliance is a good option.

  • MUSABE JEAN D'AMOUR - kigali December 24, 2014 5:49 pm

    Master’s

  • zeshan - Bangalore December 24, 2014 5:35 pm

    telecomtalk on times of india –

  • MG - Jhumri December 24, 2014 5:02 pm

    Airtel should be barred from carrying any data over its mobile network.

  • Amar Jain - Mumbai December 24, 2014 4:55 pm

    Needed a clarification: will the same be applicable to dongle users as well? That will be highly unfair!

  • Akella - Marrietta December 24, 2014 4:50 pm

    Using VPN will help. Airtel will not know which traffic is coming in or going out. I use VPN personally for all purpose.

    Ftw VPN and fuck of Airtel

  • Sudhakar December 24, 2014 4:34 pm

    Telecomtalk :

    Can you tell what will happen to the AIRTEL WIRED BROADBAND users?.

    • Deepak December 24, 2014 6:22 pm

      clearly stated for 2G& 3G!

    • Darshan December 24, 2014 8:49 pm

      Offtopic for Sudhakar
      Lg G3 blasts on bed
      Now what will state about the company which class company is this?
      I am not making joke but just to tell the please dont criticize on any company phones… Hope you get this
      See the link
      timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/LG-G3-explodes-burns-mattress-Report/articleshow/45631032.cms
      For moderator there is nothing spam please dont delete the link

      • Sudhakar December 24, 2014 10:24 pm

        Please do not delete this link.

        darshan. What do you say for this? :
        digit.in/forum/random-news/159488-boy-loses-eye-cellphone-blast.html

  • Raj December 24, 2014 4:32 pm

    It is a Great & Good move by Airtel.
    This move will definitely help people Like me who don’t Like to use VoIP apps..
    It will help Airtel to Keep 3G price Low
    1GB at Rs:125, Like old Days!!

    • Ashwin December 24, 2014 5:43 pm

      Ppl thinking 3G will be cheap again bcoz of separate VOIP r mistaken

    • Ashish Dung Dung - Raurkela December 24, 2014 6:14 pm

      Well it depends on you that you dont like to use VoIP apps, but there are millions of people who use skype and other voIp apps and software thorought india to connect with their loved one or for professional usage, this will really affect them as they already are paying a lot for a basic internet connection.

    • Anil - NCR April 21, 2015 6:13 pm

      You stupid, dont even aware. I have data pack and dont use these VOIP etc. but my internet is not working, not even google market is opening in mobile. on contacting airtel , they activated the other packs and clearly told that INTERNET WILL NOT WORK WITH ONLY DATA PACK…YOU HAVE TO ACTIVATE OTHER PACKS…THE Fools like you make the hell….

  • sree - HYD December 24, 2014 4:28 pm

    Now only one this is left which Airtel is offering Free of charge, “INCOMING CALL”. Who knows…!!!!

  • Abul Hasan - MUMBAI December 24, 2014 4:12 pm

    Enjoy Mr.Modi government
    After some time you will pay various charges for various E-commerce and Social Media site.
    These operator and government always ties for looting middle class and poor class.
    Think that TRAI recommend these steps.
    Shame…..

    • Awake December 24, 2014 5:21 pm

      Hey !!! might be in some day they will start charging other site access other than Airtel home page.
      Try to port out of this f**ky network.

  • Ankit Kaushik December 24, 2014 4:06 pm

    Wow. I dont know why airtel is being so insensitive towards their customers. Now they started charging for Voip calls, i think that time is not too far when they charge u for sending msgs on whatsapp. Tomorrow they might increases prices of internet by 300% . 50 mb of 2g in 200rs and 25mb of 3g in 500rs. Shameless operator

  • Sudhakar December 24, 2014 3:55 pm

    To telecomtalk :

    It is not loved once. It is loved ones.

  • Ramprasad - Coimbatore December 24, 2014 3:55 pm

    Please avoid the Airtel and stop using Hike (Airtel company)

  • Vishnu - Delhi December 24, 2014 3:49 pm

    Airtel U Just lost one more customer. Will port to Reliance or even sarkari will do. Else wait for RJIO.

  • tri_vis - jamnagar December 24, 2014 3:19 pm

    So, My prediction of hike in data packs becomes true( yesterday I wrote this on whatspp call feature topic).
    Shameless Mobile operators. Looters.
    BSNL is best.

    • Sudhakar December 24, 2014 3:32 pm

      Ya man. Well said. Lets buy pigeond. As I have said earlier, airtel will limit the number pigeons that can be sent per day (by tieing the matter on a paper in its legs). If we send more pigeons per day, airtel will shoot and kill it !!!!. Lol.

      • krishna December 24, 2014 10:01 pm

        @sudhakar LOL!! nice imagination…very funny… but don’t say it louder. if they hear the matter they will surely follow it.. if so, in coming days we ll expect a range of airtel pigeon packs to limit the no of shoot-outs 😀 !! !!

  • abhishek chatterjee - Dhanbad, Jharkhand December 24, 2014 3:09 pm

    This z best move by airtel, if they will reduce data packs plans..

  • John - Udaipur December 24, 2014 3:03 pm

    Phew! I just did mnp from Airtel to reliance. Airtel sucks. Everything is too pricey.

  • Sayantan - Kolkata December 24, 2014 3:02 pm

    Let them do whatever they want.Their 2G is so poor that its very difficult to initiate a VoIP call over their 2G network and their 3G is so costly as well as they provide so less data on the costly data packs that no one will feel like using their 3G data balance to make a VoIP call.Atleast in my circle I have seen that all the smart phone users use a dual sim phone with Aircel,Docomo or Reliance as their seconday sim for Internet as well as for cheap call rate.I hardly see anyone using AVOID for Internet purpose.So let these suckers do whatever they want.AVOID is used only for incoming call purpose and in places where other operators dont have coverage but we hardly visit such places in a year where we dont find networks of other operators.So everyone,just chill!

    • Anshuman - Hassan December 24, 2014 5:05 pm

      Rightly said. Mirrors my usage model. Docomo for internet & Reliance for calls. Airtel just for sake of coverage. Sadly Aircel stopped operations in my area sometime back. Otherwise it was the cheapest.

      • Sayantan - Kolkata December 24, 2014 6:03 pm

        But there are alternatives I guess.Go for docomo.

  • preet December 24, 2014 2:41 pm

    This was only expected from the biggest operator of India to mint huge and quick money until TRAI/Govt body intervenes. Airtel will make 100 crores of rupees as usual.
    Airtel has history of introducing plans/norms that are commercial in nature. Other operators will soon follow the big B except the poor BSNL who will take permission and take ages to implement such commercial changes.
    If you search on net & forums then you will find that Airtel is the only company who is in habit of doing such tactics that earn huge wrong money from its subscribers and then give few in charity to keep it in good books of general public.

  • Asif Iqbal December 24, 2014 2:38 pm

    You nasty Airtel! We already pay for 2G and 3G data packs. Why do you want to charge us two times?

  • Aditya Sharma - Gurgaon December 24, 2014 2:37 pm

    Using a VPN before making or receiving a call should help

    • Abhay - Pune December 24, 2014 3:13 pm

      +1
      I was thinking the same…
      But may normal user may not aware of VPN settings and many free VPN services are not much secure.

      • Akella December 24, 2014 4:52 pm

        For only calls it’s ok if the call isn’t secured. We are not planning attack on US or any other country.

  • akhilesh shukla - hardoi UP December 24, 2014 2:31 pm

    YES
    IN FUTURE THIS WILL CHARGE FOR A DOWNLOAD VIDEO,MP3 ,DUCUMENT
    ITS LOOOKING LIKE ONLY BROWSING POSSIBLE BY DATA PACK
    BROWSE NET SELECT HOW WOULD BE LIKE TO PAY MONEY
    SELECT AND START PAYING MONEY TO AIRTEL

  • Madhav December 24, 2014 2:30 pm

    WOW This is amazing ,this shameless operators will quench every drop of blood from the consumers
    With anticipated nationwide 4G rollout of RJIO (Which also Includes WIFI hotspots), out of frustration AIRTEL looks like making a Self goal,Already most of my data on smartphone is (more than 90% on ) Wifi Rest I use operator data service now that certainly will become Zero 🙂 Thanks airtel for making such decision so that we can reduce our data by not using even that 10% and saving some 250 Rs per Month

  • Mudassar - Mumbai December 24, 2014 2:27 pm

    Day by day airtel taking the hard descisions which is against the users. I dont know why it is trying to make subscribers angry, Hiking price nd new descisions . Time to say bye bye airtel . Waiting for rjio <3

    • idea88 - mumbai December 24, 2014 5:48 pm

      @all n muddsar .. now just increase pack cost for 1 GB 200+ . then Airtel users will shift to Aircel in Mumbai. ( aircel started adding towers in Mumbai 2-3 towers in week) . so now Airtel feel heat from Rjio.. But as per Arm length price airtel-r jio going to keep tariff so don’t surprised if r jio and Airtel if started offering same 4g in Mumbai..

  • nik - vadodara December 24, 2014 2:19 pm

    as it says in munnabhai style…..airtel bimar hai mamu!!!!…least expected step from airtel….idea and vodafone will follow up soon…

  • js - Bangalore December 24, 2014 2:17 pm

    Airtel fans, enjoy. Soon Vodafone and idea customers can also follow Airtel.

  • APpL€ LoVeR™ December 24, 2014 2:17 pm

    hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa……….
    buhhaaahahahahahahaahaahahaaaa……………….
    i am dead!!!!!
    hahahahahhahhahahahhahaaaaaaaa…………………………………..

    • Asif Iqbal December 24, 2014 2:37 pm

      LOL

    • tj - Bangalore December 24, 2014 6:15 pm

      LOL …

    • Darshan December 24, 2014 11:53 pm

      What happened dude? ????????
      LOL

      • APpL€ LoVeR™ December 25, 2014 1:02 pm

        hahahaaaaa…….
        nothing bro,just imagined the face of airtel customers on reading this news!!!!
        But they definitely will continue on hanging with this network and AVOIDs bring all tariffs in line with European networks.

  • Sudhakar December 24, 2014 2:15 pm

    I think it is time to ditch the nasty data packs from the shameless mobile operators and move towards wired broadband via WiFi for home use.

    Then, what hair can the shameless operators pluck if we use wired broadband for VoIP calls?.

  • Devraj - Bengaluru December 24, 2014 2:14 pm

    It is worst

    TRAI should mediate. Tomorrow they will also charge for Whats app, Facebook
    also E-commerce sites

  • pardha saradhi - chennai December 24, 2014 2:12 pm

    In india technolgy is getting very costly. it should become cheap as we get new technology.. its better to use landline phones for communication. these guys will not have proper coverage for mobile network.

    these guys making us to stop using smartphone by keeping all the nonsense charges.

  • zeshan - Bangalore December 24, 2014 2:11 pm

    wow…
    this was expected as whatsapp will soon launch voice calling…….
    now in no time,Vodafone and idea will announce the same…..

  • Pratap Madgulkar - Pune December 24, 2014 2:09 pm

    This is defiantly not a good move .. this will be in benefit if Rjio ….

    India is going towards VOIP .. which is in very initial stage and people like airtel started taking undue benefit of this?

    people must opt-out in such cases from airtel so they will understand the power of common man 🙂

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