TTSL-Vodafone Merger Talks in Advanced Level

There has been strong market rumour that might be true. It’s regarding Vodafone India and Tata Docomo merger. After Airtel’s acquisition of Loop Mobile (Mumbai) it could be the biggest M&A in Indian telecom.

vodafone tata docomo dealTata Teleservices is jointly owned by Tata Group and Japanese telecom major NTT Docomo. NTT Docomo owns 26.5% in Tata Teleservices and around 11.7% in Tata Teleservices (Maharastra). NTT Docomo wants to leave the market as the company’s profit sheet is not promising.

With the merger Vodafone would be the country’s largest mobile operator in terms of subscriber base, pushing down Bharti Airtel.

Now there are some hurdles. A proper ‘Merger & Acquisition’ regulation is pending from Govt. of India. Though discussions between Vodafone, NTT Docomo and TTSL is going on, the deal will take a long route to materalize. The deal can be happened in many ways, as Vodafone India has a tax dispute in India. There can be chances that Vodafone will buy NTT Docomo’s stakes and some stakes from Tata Group. Or NTT Docomo will sell their stakes to Tata Group and then TTSL is merged with Vodafone with several shareholdings changes.

Post M&A there will be lots of changes in Indian telecom, for sure. Vodafone may kill TTSL’s CDMA business and use that spectrum for LTE/4G. Though TTSL is no more interested in CDMA, Vodafone will try to retain this spectrum for LTE in next auction.

Tata Docomo is generally offering cheaper call tariffs compared to A-Vo-Id. That will be a history and subscribers who opted Tata Docomo for low tariff have to move to another operator. Vodafone will not offer affordable tariff to its customers once merger is completed.

The new entity will most probably named as Vodafone India and Tata Group may just be a minority stake holder. As a reader how do you look at this move will it be good for subscribers or no do let us know via comments

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  • vilas June 4, 2014 4:34 pm

    Its a good sign that Vodafone is buying Ttsl. Though money will go to england, employees are still from India. Though Vodafone is charging more but services are good. Also as Ttsl is going through huge losses, it will boost Tata group after merger helping reduce further loss to Tata sons. Although Ttsl is ofering low tarrif rates, what is the use if there is no network coverage?

  • Aravind Ganesh V March 9, 2014 6:17 pm

    I will port out to some other network if such a merger happens..

    1. To the extent possible i use Swadeshi (Indian) brand/ products.. (Ok!! Docomo is not Indian but Tata is the major stake holder)

    2. I have Docomo as the third no. So i use it very rarely. The only reason why i still have it because the STD calls can also be made at 1 paisa per sec

    • Linto March 10, 2014 12:41 pm

      +1

  • Yogesh Sarvade March 9, 2014 6:16 pm

    2days back I sent MNP request From my TATA DOCOMO gsm no: Their agent call me 5 times n I told all issues, he speak with me politely n registered my complain; also they reduce call rate 1p/2sec for 2months n for local calls . Also they replied @ present Tata DOCOMO not selling its telecom bussiness to Vodafone. So I m satisfied.

  • Raghavan March 8, 2014 1:09 pm

    Again England (Vodafone) start the business in INDIA ( 1947), If they buy Docomo Most of Subscriber come under VF … Then See suck money from Indian customers

  • Raghavan March 8, 2014 12:46 pm

    I though England Again start Lead the INDIANS in Business way (Remember the 1947)

  • Jitendra Singh Negi March 7, 2014 11:56 pm

    Docomo gone !

  • Bipin March 7, 2014 5:17 pm

    , using docomo just because of its 1 paise per second plan. No way I’ll continue with vodafone.

  • Thiyagesh March 6, 2014 11:47 am

    if M&A completed , Low cost tariff can’t be given to the customer as they will be top in Base count, so customers may go for MNP to another telecom operator…..

  • Mohan March 5, 2014 4:03 pm

    Can I Avail a Maharashtra BSNL (new mobile prepaid) connection with my Mumbai address proof?

    • SS March 5, 2014 5:30 pm

      Yes you can!

      • Mohan March 5, 2014 6:12 pm

        @SS, are you sure? Because BSNL mobile doesn’t have coverage in Mumbai. But it has coverage in the same state of Maharashtra (except Mumbai).

        So, will Mumbai address proof be accepted if I go to outskirts of Mumbai BSNL office for a new prepaid mobile connection?

        • SS March 5, 2014 10:05 pm

          Yes, sure! My Aadhar Card with address of Uttar Pradesh was accepted in Delhi/NCR but they asked for a local address. I suppose local address wouldn’t be applicable to you since you live in Maharashtra itself and Mumbai is a part of Maharashtra.

          Remember if they ask for local address, just tell them. No need to show written proof.

          • SSS March 6, 2014 10:16 am

            No… but in case of Bsnl it is not possible
            u have to submit address proof of that place where u r going to by Sim..

  • Rama March 5, 2014 2:49 pm

    @sand
    I dont mean to criticise you but still
    “avoid spends a lot on advertisments whereas BSNL does not do such stupidity”-remember those deepika padukon ads BSNL used to give with the tag line “BSNL best hai mere liye”.

  • Venkat March 5, 2014 12:35 am

    To those how are asking for low cost plans from A Vo id group…….
    guys .. Do remember one thing… You should not expect food at low costly from star hotel, and at the same time you cant expect good quality food from road side vendors…. Hope you understand my point. Dont expect low cost packs from Airtel,Vodafone,idea as they are providing better quality services compared to other operators. At the same time dont expect good quality services from low cost operators. Quality and cost are always direcly proportional to each other. If you get quality and low cost services from an operator then you are lucky… Just enjoy them. Demand the quality from a vo id group … Not cost… Its just like going to star hotels and bargaining to reduce cost of the item…

    • sugu March 5, 2014 1:59 am

      I am on a tour, and now travelling but neither Vodafone npr airtel has coverage, whereas idea and BSNL provide 3g!!

      • DUANE March 8, 2014 1:39 pm

        @ SUGU – in case you are not aware (or choose to act so) NO OPERATOR has 100% 3G coverage. You can use the 3 Pvt 1 Public Sector Service Provider that has the license to provide 3G in the location you are visting. For example AIRTEL does not provide 3G in KOLKATA – however just 35-40 KM out of the city once you reach WEST BENGAL circle coverage area, you can use 3G.

        Similarly its worthwhile to point out here that there are several lakh customers who, having already activated 3G before the Supereme Court ruling to end 3G agreements, CONTINUE to enjoy 3g within same circle.

    • Sandy March 5, 2014 11:28 am

      Simply a nonsense.. AVoId the big bloody companies which wants to suck money from Indian customers. Even BSNL is best in class service provider whose plans are not famous. BSNL is the only value for money quality provider where as AVoId just rob the customer in the name of quality. They are spending a lot on advertisement. which is imposed on customers. But BSNL is not doing such a stupidity. I’m sure that landlines will shine in the market soon. Untill the bloody companies will stop the robbing of customers. Even the price hike is directly the blessings of bloody UPA where the poor doesn’t have right to live in the costly world. Students cannot bare these costly packs. Come on BSNL its time to change the market.

      • RDB March 6, 2014 1:06 am

        my point is even low tariff service providers like aircel, tata, mts, uninor offer good services in metro/city/town regions. when you are good services + low tariff why you go for AVoiD?

        bsnl has problems that it’s good in south, but worst in east & north.

      • S Pathak March 15, 2014 5:18 pm

        Well said Mr Sandy. BSNL, being a 100% Government company, offers quality telecom services to common people.The rates in telecom market is balanced by BSNL otherwise private telecom companies may make cartel and regulate rates accordingly.

    • Raghavan March 8, 2014 12:35 pm

      Good Add for multi branders … PL refer Sandy Comment

    • Ps April 11, 2014 5:11 pm

      Buddy if that is so then fuel cost in india can be justified with better qualitythan in other countries. No i m not a fool. See the ratio of their performance with the cost they charge. I might be happy to use 10 kbps speed i get on docomo than giving somewhat double the amount for 15kbps from airtel which is also rare to get these days. Airtel Voda and idea are just mocking indian ppl.

  • sugu March 4, 2014 11:36 pm

    Went to recharge my phone last day.
    two offers by docomo and airtel:

    docomo:
    sim free
    24tt
    400mb data
    t2t 20p/m
    t2o 30p
    9000sec free
    104sms free

    I took the sim right away
    AIRtel
    a2a 1.2p/s
    a2o 1.6p/s
    100 a2a min
    sim 70rs

    what r u thinking artel?

    • DUANE March 8, 2014 1:41 pm

      @ SUGU please also compare the QOS (Quality of Service) provided by TATA DOCOMO and AIRTEL, only getting cheap tariffs may not be the best (or only) thing to compare! Can your cheap tariffs work when there is no network signal? Yes it (might) make you FEEL BETTER when your calls drop and you have to make a 2nd call !!

    • vilas June 4, 2014 5:02 pm

      @sugu,
      Have you tried Tata Sky for watching Cable TV. You will come to know that Tata is charging double than other D2h providers as they are providing quality service. Still people prefer Tata sky over Videocon & airel d2h. Why?

  • prathap March 4, 2014 8:50 pm

    what about cheap calls in service providers

  • krish March 4, 2014 8:00 pm

    does that mean photon will die? pls reply ?

    • DUANE March 8, 2014 1:43 pm

      @ KRISH – if your photon can be migrated to GSM why should it die?

      >> does that mean photon will die? pls reply ?
      >>>> Vodafone may kill TTSL’s CDMA business and use that spectrum for LTE/4G.

  • Upesh March 4, 2014 6:44 pm

    Well again one point arises if Vodafone will buy DoCoMo, what about 3G licenses? where in some circles DoCoMo and Vodafone both holds the 3G license. In such case (for example in Maharashtra ) few circles will loose one operator(DoCoMo). will govt. giving one additional 3G license.

    • Rama March 4, 2014 6:53 pm

      According to the latest M&A rules the merged entity can retain two blocks of 3G spectrum,

  • ROHAN SINGH March 4, 2014 5:44 pm

    Uninor should buy DoCoMo and become pan India Operator with 3G license too :-)

    • Saumik B March 4, 2014 9:01 pm

      Hahhaa… joke of the year..

      Why dont you buy DoCoMo instead :) :)

      • Upesh March 4, 2014 9:59 pm

        DoCoMo setup in India is not a cheap mobile company that anybody can buy. Bro, DoCoMo is the only 3G service which delivers up to 10-12 Mbps speed on dongle here in Nagpur City. And that is too on small recharges. The speed I ever got on any network. Idea is limited to 3 Mbps and Vodafone 3-4 Mbps.

        • Saumik B March 9, 2014 5:49 pm

          I use Docomo only Upesh…

          What Rohan Singh wrote is something that was a good JOKE..
          Hence I also replied back to him and asked him to buy Docomo.

          I feel tomorrow Rohan Singh will ask Uninor to buy Vodafone after Docomo… watch out for the same.. :) :)

    • DUANE March 8, 2014 1:44 pm

      @ ROHAN – you should be on COMEDY NIGHTS WITH KAPIL
      >> Uninor should buy DoCoMo and become pan India Operator with 3G license too

      Note: means Rolling On Floor Laughing !!

  • SS March 4, 2014 5:08 pm

    That doesn’t affect me at all. In my circles UP E and Delhi, Vodafone has 3G license and services are also up to the mark. I used Tata docomo for a short while because i was pissed off with its crappy network and internet. Tata photon + was a TATA product that i used for a year with a company corporate connection (Truly UL). Now tata photon plans are too costly and my CDMA non RUIM device is a brick now.

    Vodafone was never attracted towards TD. Why it should be? the company was in loss and it didn’t have much customers and infrastructure but what attracts vodafone is its spectrum in 2G, 3G and CDMA bands. I would be happy if the deal finalises as Vodafone may utilise the infra in a much better way. CDMA? I would be sad if they close it as only MTS would be left (RCOM is already in a mood of getting rid of CDMA).

    The days are coming when we would have few pan india operators and smaller ones like Aircel would perish.

    • Arun Chandran March 4, 2014 6:32 pm

      @SS
      I know that you r a windows phone fan. How to set 3G only mode in Lumia? . Plz reply..

    • sAm March 4, 2014 7:44 pm

      True..
      Gone r d days when TD ofrd low cal rates.
      Now they chrg high (prbbly d highest)
      they think they r d mst clever ones so 1st 30 secs chrgbl n den free.n dis makes subscrbrs more n more agitated.
      thatz y dey r thinkin of windin up.
      Poor fellows.undrstnd ur market 1st den u show ur tricks.otherwis dis things wil happen !!
      Goodbye TD..

    • DUANE March 8, 2014 1:46 pm

      @ SS – Yes 2015 may become a reflection of 1995…. the GLOROUS DAYS OF TELECOM
      >> The days are coming when we would have few pan india operators and smaller ones like Aircel would perish.

  • Upesh March 4, 2014 5:01 pm

    Hello friends, tell one thing, I own one Tata CDMA mobile with lifetime card ending validity on 2019. Will Vodafone keep my CDMA or will offer me to port to Vodafone. These type of problems shall be solved before merger. I think so.

    • DUANE March 8, 2014 1:48 pm

      @ UPESH – the validity data is as per your CIRCLE …
      Regarding offer to port – that is a call which your OPERATOR can take anytime.
      I know, for a fact, that TATA DOCOMO shut down operations in J&K, NORTH EAST and ASSAM … what did the customers there do? Port?

  • sand March 4, 2014 4:14 pm

    @Raj,

    Well said dude.Nobody could be any more clearer.You are right.these companies want to have higher margins.Do you think all these operators who give low tariffs are making big losses due to that?Its never the case.first of all guys read wat they mean by ARPu.
    See the arrogance of Airtel when it suggested that Govt should regulate wats app.Why?Because they can kill competitION BY USURPING SMALLER COMPANIES AND THEN RAISE TARIFFS BUT THEY ARE SCARED OF WATS APP.Wat would they do about them.sms used to give them 12% margins coz it costs nothing.Before blaming users look at the details for the last few years.The AVOID group that you are supporting played all dirty tricks to increase tariffs.but thankfully indian public arent ass$$$es.The minutes of usage decreased in the last few months.So now they are caught between rock and sea where increasing prices dont give that much profits due to decreased usage and increasing missed calls and also fearing the upcoming competition from JIO.
    Just wait and watch.They may at last even plead before the govt to place tariffs on giving or receiving missed calls.LOL!!

    • S.Sudhakar March 4, 2014 4:22 pm

      Please remove Idea from AVoId group in case of Tamilnadu. Go and see the call rates of Tamilnadu Idea. It is cheaper compared to other operators. Read my previous post here.

      In U.S some operators will charge us even if the destination phone is ringing or we will be charged for unanswered calls more than 30 seconds. This even apply for us when we are using Indian mobile numbers (prepaid and postpaid) in the U.S.

      • DUANE March 8, 2014 1:52 pm

        @ S SUDHAKAR – dont get confused my friend.
        There is a technical parameter in each operator’s switch, which tells the network when the call has been answered (and to start charging). During International Roaming, this sometimes gets mis-communicated / wrongly stated (as if the call has been answered) and hence charges levied. AFAIK (As Far As I Know) there is no one in the world who can charge for an UNANSWERED CALL – as there is NO CDR (Call Detail Record) that gets (or can be) generated when there is NO CALL!! So check your facts Dude.

        >> In U.S some operators will charge us even if the destination phone is ringing or we will be charged for unanswered calls more than 30 seconds. This even apply for us when we are using Indian mobile numbers (prepaid and postpaid) in the U.S.

        • SS March 8, 2014 5:24 pm

          He is right, they charge for unanswered calls too (to number roaming on US Networks).

          And how these stupid US networks charge a caller even when the US number hasn’t picked up the phone! I got charged 6.4 INR even when my friend didn’t receive the call. best is skype!

  • S.Sudhakar March 4, 2014 3:57 pm

    To telecomtalk :
    What?. Docomo is providing cheap call rates?. Mention the circle if you are saying in common. In Tamilnadu, the shameless docomo is tricking customers in the name of local off net mobile calling at Rs.0.30 by charging Rs.0.01 for first 30 seconds and giving remaining 30 seconds free at Rs.46 rate cutter. This senseless, shameless docomo is misleading the customers that Rs.46 booster actually gives Rs.0.30 per minute calling without conditions. I think this will be the case in other circles also.

    Idea Tamilnadu is providing cheap call rates but coverage is worst when going outskirts of any town or city. BSNL Tamilnadu is ok with Rs.152 (All over India : on net* calling at Rs.0.10 per minute and off net* calling at Rs.0.30 per minute) for 30 days and Rs.213 (local calls** at Rs.0.30 per minute) for 90 days.
    * means – to mobile and all types of landline in a operator
    ** means – to any network (mobile and landline) within the state.

    Can you point out a single operator in India*** which gives the above benefits without FUP or any restriction?. Can you point out a single operator in India*** which gives landline calling at Rs.0.30 per minute in any booster?.

    *** means other than BSNL and MTNL

    • lol March 4, 2014 5:11 pm

      the mighty uninor 25paise/min.

      • S.Sudhakar March 4, 2014 5:45 pm

        Uninor is not PAN India. I want such rates from PAN india operator. Is it possible?.

        It is not at all possible in Tamilnadu circle. Can you point out any other operator (other than BSNL and Idea) in Tamilnadu giving landline benefits?.

        • lol March 4, 2014 6:09 pm

          well here in a.p I also use bsnl as primary sim for data and uninor as 2nd sim for calling. no one is offering cheaper tariff than bsnl on pan india basis. but idea don’t trust them. if their subscriber base increase in tamilnadu they will definitely raise the tariff.

        • Kingston March 4, 2014 11:12 pm

          Who told BSNL PAN India Operator? It don’t have service in Delhi

        • Kingston March 4, 2014 11:14 pm

          Mr.Sudhakar, Go for MTS. Its gives 1000 minutes local both mobile and landline at Rs.199/month. MTS is the cheapest operator in Tamilnadu.

          • lol March 5, 2014 9:32 am

            bsnl is not a pan india operator? it is the only operator to have pan india 3g license. these avoid dont have pan india license and you call them a pan india operator?? bsnl and mtnl are two companies of govt. you can roam seamlessly on mtnl that too without any data roaming charges. tell me a company where you will get free data roaming. bsnl has more no. of quality towers than all others. but the only problem we face is they operate them below radiation norms. where as avoid sends out more radiation from the towers and give good signal. bsnl is service oriented not profit oriented.

          • S.Sudhakar March 5, 2014 8:02 pm

            I am talking about GSM operators. If MTS starts GSM, it will be war of call rate reduction.

    • pradeep March 4, 2014 5:52 pm

      Yep bro. mts do
      Msaver 28 for 28 days
      28ps/min for local and std :)

      wanna check Mts tamilnadu website

      and even 348Msaver giver unlimited local call to any network
      for 30 days
      which i feel the cheapest till date :) :)

    • DUANE March 8, 2014 1:53 pm

      @ S SUDHAKAR – you dont seem to be a very big fan of TATA DOCOMO eh?

  • Prateek March 4, 2014 3:23 pm

    Merging is common among mobile operators, may be in future only Five Big Players will provide GSM services in India ( PAN ).
    1. Bharti Airtel.
    2. Vodafone India.
    3. Idea Cellular.
    4. Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited ( BSNL )
    5. Reliance Communications.

    • S.Sudhakar March 4, 2014 3:59 pm

      Prateek,
      Add Aircel in case of Tamilnadu circle.

      • Upesh March 4, 2014 4:56 pm

        He is saying about PAN India Operators not local players.

        • S.Sudhakar March 4, 2014 5:47 pm

          I told him to add Aircel in case of Tamilnadu circle. Read my comment properly.

          • Upesh March 4, 2014 6:39 pm

            before I read your comment, you should read prateek’s comment properly.

            • S.Sudhakar March 5, 2014 8:06 pm

              I told only in case of Tamilnadu. If you can’t understand English, do not comment here. Understood?.

              • Upesh March 5, 2014 11:38 pm

                Hei listen, who are you to check my knowledge in English , first of all check your mind and learn how talk with others in public and if possible start from nursery manner’s book. prateek said that only above operators will be Pan india in few days or months. then if you have a single bit of mind then explain that why you inserted the aircel’s name here. (who gonna buy aircel in recent) . This website is not your father’s property so that you will limit the comments on this website. next time be careful. everytime I visit this website you always make quarrels with someone and argues with them. change your attitude first and tell to others then only. you see in all comments , in each and every comment you are making argue.

              • Tarun March 6, 2014 12:18 am

                Dear Sudhakar ,

                Everyone is free to comment and express the view if its relevant to the topic rather than sharing some 3rd party links and arguing and abusing over others.

                Please do take a note of it in ..

              • siddu March 6, 2014 10:46 am

                @Upesh,
                Bro awesome punch….that guy does not know how to behave in public, He knows only one word “TECHNICALLY SLUM INDIA” he repeats this continuously in most topics.

  • Akash Dey March 4, 2014 2:53 pm

    are mera tata photon+ ka tab kya hoga…..??? :o :o :o

  • Chandra Sekhar Mandal March 4, 2014 2:50 pm

    Less operator = less competition = high tariffs / call rates / net packs
    Days of 2p/sec is coming very sson in India I think.

    • Global March 4, 2014 3:44 pm

      2p/sec has already been done by Airtel few days back… Expect 3-5p/sec soon :)

      • S.Sudhakar March 4, 2014 4:02 pm

        Hey,
        Tamilnadu aircel already charges base tariff any net mobile calling* at Rs.0.015 per second and any landline calling* at Rs.0.03 per second !!!.
        * means – anywhere in India

        Base tariff of landlines when calling from home network is Rs.1.80 per minute (Rs.0.03 per second) and when calling from roaming with base tariff (without roaming pack), it is charged at Rs.1.00 for local and Rs.1.50 for STD !!!.

        What a joke !!!

      • S.Sudhakar March 4, 2014 6:36 pm

        correction – base tariff for landlines….

  • Arya Paul March 4, 2014 2:30 pm

    Its great that Vodafone will emerge the largest operator in India…….Hope they continue good customer services.

    • Abishek Naagendra June 25, 2014 1:06 am

      I hate Vodafone… I don’t want British company to rule over telecom sector…

  • aditya March 4, 2014 2:14 pm

    I m using Docomo CDMA from Mumbai circke. I know if I port it to Docomo prepaid I will get balance transfer also. I have balance of 600 rs . what if after getting ported to Docomo gsm and if Vodafone takes over then whether my balance of 600rs will be there or it Would be wasted. Kindly advise

    • pradeep March 4, 2014 5:57 pm

      balance will remain the same
      but plan will be changed
      and all the previous benefits will be nullified :(

  • Chetan March 4, 2014 1:59 pm

    Well, I don’t understand how people are expecting good service with cheaper tariffs. Imagine the passive and active infra cost for upgrading and building the network, it’s not cheap any where. Services from vendors like zte and Huwaie is not cheap either, they charge bomb for network deployment maintainence and sustanence. People expect 700 min free calling with 199 rental and should expect telco to give him full signals at all locations is just rubbish. How will a telco recruit brainers and manage overheads for running the operations. If somebody needs cheaper tariffs stick to govt telco and enjoy their third class service as they get funding from our income tax paid to govt kitty.

    • Linto March 4, 2014 2:21 pm

      whoever takeover your balence will be there, dont worry

    • Ganesh Srinivasan March 4, 2014 2:31 pm

      +1

      Let’s understand realistically – telecom companies have huge debts they have to service (what they have borrowed for CAPEX and operations)

      The industry will consolidate – may be 3 big players all India (Airtel & Vodafone are surely 2 of the 3) and another 2 to 3 at regional level – providing all services neatly. All others have to merge / vanish

    • Raj March 4, 2014 3:43 pm

      Easy buddy easy…, either you work in one of those A-Vo-Id or you seem to have completely misunderstood how mobile network market has come so far in India. Those A-Vo-Id(although there was Hutch not Vodafone) have earned huge profits till few years ago & prices were no where near to consumer’s reach. It just that Raja’s spectrum giving away(good or bad that’s a whole other topic) that pushed the prices down thanks to some new entrants as well. The low balance sheets of Airtel is because of their ambitious plan of being number one in the entire Africa, the whole income dumped over there & burned their hands. And they still hardly making any profits there. And about Idea & now Vodafone, people still use it but most of the people porting out to other networks because other networks are more or less same(in network coverage terms) with much cheaper rates than what they(A-Vo-Id) are offering(believe me I see a lot of places with BSNL coverage in my state than Vodafone or Idea or even Airtel). Why haven’t they built infrastructure during the times when they enjoyed huge profits with huge margins. Now they complain about cheaper market!!. I bet that they can still make profits with 1p/sec plans if they offer(you stop all those 1p/2sec or other things, just give plain 1p/sec), because it pushes the usage. People start using it more & more which result in revenue. It’s not that any operator will make losses if they give 1p/sec plan, it’s just that their percentage of profits or I should say margins comes down, but these A-Vo-Id are greedy want the money overnight & want huge profits. This same A-Vo-Id cartel has refused to participate in the auctions when government put up the spectrum for Rs.280 billion as per the recommended price of TRAI back in 2012(granted there was no 900Mhz but there was 800 Mhz but if you read a report in Economics time it was reported that the price is on par with every other market in the world, not over priced as these A-Vo-Id, especially Vodafone picturized it to be, only thing is that they have to find ways to get back that investment) & in 2013 Government slashed the rates by 30-50% but still there were no bidders, these same morons paid about same prices or much higher prices in the just concluded auction. The whole point of India is cheaper market & network operators can’t get their investment back is just ridiculous for me. Put up some good coverage, just as you(or other operators) do in those so called ‘better priced’ markets, people will use your services. You know why 3G has failed?, it’s because all the operators launched 3G with the least coverage possible & still put some high prices for their services. I live in Visakhapatnam, it’s a tier-II city the second big city after Hyderabad in Andhra Pradesh, but I still don’t have 3G coverage in the entire city. Now, who will use the 3G service if there is no coverage covering the entire tier-II city, you expect customer to run to scarcely erected 3G tower some where in the centre of the city every time he/she wants to use 3G. But these guys want to earn money & then they think about investing or improving network, what a joke is that. Put up investment first, cover at least big cities completely then launch your product at decent prices(not cheap…) people will run after your services. Reliance Info led by Mukesh Ambani seems to be doing same thing with their 4G roll out(at least that’s what reports suggest).

      • Chetan March 4, 2014 5:06 pm

        @raj,
        I have a question to ask- is the value of money you earned 10 yrs back same right now?
        Hahahahahahah if we go by your theory and analasys, venture capitalist should go and sucide who support these telcos.

        Boss, just sharpen your market analasys. Airtel Africa acquisition is funded by top shareholders and VCs and not by airtel itself. Otherwise, With just 8000crore profit how can they go on shopping spree in the world of acquisition.

        Also, no company is here to do charity like you pay me 50rs and I will give you service of 300 Rs. Obviously they are here to make money and grow.

        Lastly I am not From any telco, if I would have been I would not entertained customers like you or probably assign 800 Rs credit limit with limited mobility.

        I don’t from where these Id???ts come and vomit their half cooked knowledge and spoil the sanity of the forums.

        • Raj March 7, 2014 4:11 am

          @Chetan
          Instead of arguing constructively or otherwise at least pointing out mistakes in my comment constructively(like another member @SS did), you choose to attack & call me “Id??t”, well that’s ok because I’m more than glad to be in the group of common men(who are ‘Id???s’ in your view) than in the group of arrogant f?????g ‘Venture Capitalists’ & “Sharp Market Analyst” b??????s like you(the group that you seems to be leading), as much as I hate using language like that on a public stage like this, I used it because you are asking for it with your language in your comment). You might be a rich a** & can pay those ‘Venture Capitalist’ businesses more than what they deserve, but not every one in this country is. Yeah, I’m not a “Sharp Market Analyst” like you, but I don’t have to be & I don’t know when it is made a rule to be ‘Sharp Market Analyst’ for asking better services(not for free or cheap just for better price), because I’m not asking any thing free here(from Telecos), I spend around 500-600/month in recharges for just voice calls(with occasional texts) on my number(TATA Docomo GSM), spend another around 800 for Reliance EVDO Card(for data usage of about 4-5GB) as I mentioned in my previous comment there is no operator with full coverage of 3g in my city, and spend another 700-800(for BSNL Broadband Connection at my home). so, in essence I end up spending around 2200/month for my mobile & data needs or 1400 for voice & mobile data needs(if you take out BB charges). I hope that not a cheap in your view & make a cut to the customers list that you ‘would entertain’ if you had worked for a network operator. And I don’t think I or any body have to tear apart & crunch down all the numbers of those Telecos to use their services, because what most of the people asking telecos is, provide better service & charge reasonably, people definitely use your services and infact they use more what they are already doing it. And instead of expecting 100% or 200% profit margins like they(telecos) used to get in the early days, if they become content with lower percentage of profit margins(like some of the operators are sensible & smart enough in already doing it) then I’m sure they can stir up more usage hence more profits. If they(telecos) neither provide better service & on top of that make a cartel to increase prices(voice, sms & 2G) and also to blackmail the government by not participating in the auctions, they are not gonna get anything from it. Let me give you an example how an operator can improve their income if they improve their network & service, just take my case, if TataDocomo has a better coverage of data then my 800 Reliance Evdo Data money would definitely go to them(in total they would get at least 1300-1400/month from me). But instead of improving the quality of their network, their normal network is getting so poor that I’m hardly getting any signal in the places where I used to get full signal strength. And I’m on the verge of porting out to either BSNL or Uninor. I tried hard to cling on to them, I didn’t want to change even after they kind of cheated me(as is the case with millions of people) by suddenly pushing my call rates up to 1.5p/sec(for mobiles) & 2p/sec(landlines), when I recharge with 150(which I use normally), I’m using this Docomo connection since it’s launch. Search about this sudden call rates change, TT has ran an article as well on this few days ago. One more thing that I find very strange is that, these telecos give very good offers to Corporate Employees in the form of post-paid plans instead of giving to middle to lower-middle class people in the form of pre-paid offers. My friend is working in an MNC in Hyderabad, he pays 185(inclusive of taxes) to Vodafone for 10hrs of free talk-time(to both mobile & landlines), 350 free SMS & call rates 30p(on-net) & 40p(off-net) after the free talk-time. As a prepaid Docomo user, If I’ve to consume same talk-time(10hrs), I’ve to spend around Rs.540(if u take 1.5p/sec tariff which is applicable to only calls to mobiles not landlines, for landlines it is 2p/sec). But if you offer plain basic tariff of 1p/sec in pre-paid, one has to spend Rs.360 to consume 10hrs of talk-time, that is double the amount of what Vodafone is offering to a Corporate Employee. All the people who are disappointed & complaining(or even leaving) will be happy if their respective operator provides 1p/sec base tariff. And before the ‘better business man’ & ‘sharper market analyst’ in you come back & argue that Corporate post-paid plans promises or ensures a steady income, let me tell you, no pre-paid customer will leave their respective operator if that operator provides better network & better price(what better than 1p/sec tariff is). As I told you, I’m using my Docomo(pre-paid GSM) connection since it’s launch & you will hear same thing, if you go to TT’s page where they ran an article of sudden or back door way of TataDocomo increasing tariffs, from many users & yet many of them left Docomo because of they find other operators with as good network coverage & cheaper call rates(so what I’m trying to say is pre-paid customers also gonna stick to a particular network operator, in fact more longer than those corporate post-paid users, unless something really bad happened with them, either poor network coverage area or some back door activities of network operator like the one mentioned above). So, if you(telecos) can consider giving or think giving a cheaper post-paid plan to a corporate house with 1000 people in it(note that not all of them use your network either) is viable & profitable then isn’t it profitable to get double the money or at least more than what you are asking from a corporate employee, from the millions of normal people or customers(telecos may not be getting double the amount in all the cases but every corporate post-paid plan is much cheaper than a pre-paid offer that particular network operator is offering, if you compare to pre-paid rates). 1p/sec sounds cheap & attracts lot of attention from every section of the users(even those in the villages) and encourages more usage. This is what I’ve been trying to say in my last comment, I’m even against those rate cutters, so that operators can save money. What do you think that made people go gaga about TataDocomo when it was launched?, was it that they brought super network coverage? or was it because there were no operators with better coverage than Docomo offering?, no it’s because their 1p/sec plan(heck if I’m not wrong there was already 50p/min offers through some rate cutters in Airtel by then).
          If there is anything wrong(information) then point it out normally, instead of showing attitude,in your first comment on this article you sounded like every one is begging here for free service & operators loosing money for good cause, that’s what prompted me to reply you, otherwise I wouldn’t have cared to reply to your comment(in my usage of TT for the last 3 years or so, I hardly every commented, my previous comment might be 3rd or 4th, it will be in single digit only, I daily visit TT & read most of the comments on every article, but never respond).

      • SS March 4, 2014 5:16 pm

        “And about Idea & now Vodafone, people still use it but most of the people porting out to other networks”

        Would you please open up trai.gov.in and check out telecom consumer data. I wasn’t surprised, maybe you would be when you find that there is NOT a single month ( expect one month for Vodafone) where the net additions of AVOID group are in negative figures. All big loosers were Reliance (Did you guys remember that they said “Reliance is deactivating non profitable numbers……………….” All lie— ), Tata Docomo, BSNL( for some months), MTNL.

        • Raj March 7, 2014 5:07 am

          Dear SS, yes I do know A-Vo-Id are most of the times in the first three positions in adding subscribers. Recently, I’m went to Chattisgarh, there was Idea as the no.1 operator. And when I asked a person there, he confirmed that Idea is the best network in their state. But as I told you in my previous comment, in my place(especially surrounding areas of my city) BSNL has large network coverage(which I’m surprised too to find that out) and Uninor is also doing good in the city or sub-urban places of the city. I fully understand that every state or even city has a specific operator offering better coverage, with some of the other operators not far behind & some of the other operators are far behind in network coverage. And this is my main point, if the big players or any one for that matter think they can increase prices as they wish they are gonna suffer & people who use their services will move on to other service providers who are offering network coverage as good as them & at better rates. I specifically mentioned about Vodafone & Idea along with Airtel in that comment(that you replied to) because I was talking about A-Vo-Id in general in all of that comment. The numbers may not suggest what I’m saying, but believe me this is what happens or going to happen. Recently when A-Vo-Id increased 2G rates, in my circle(friends, colleagues, relatives & any one whom I know using data in mobile) stopped using their services took a connection from other providers and used that connection specifically for that usage. And the present trend is that if some one is having a number from the long time either from Airtel or Vodafone or Idea or any other operator, they are keeping that and using another number from the new entrants(if I can call so) like Uninor, or whoever offering better rates or tariff, for calling purposes, this way you don’t see net loss in subscriber numbers but there won’t be any usage from that subscriber either.

          My whole point is this, telecos should give better network coverage(& service) and charge reasonably or else they will find their profits declining, because of the present stage of mobile technology(with all the dual sims & all) people use or move on to other service providers who offer better rates & may be as good network as the original network providers.

          • prasad mayya March 7, 2014 10:40 am

            my few points:
            airtel,voda and idea give offers if you are old customer ( i have all 3 sim )
            eg : idea is giving 1gb 2g for 58 Rs 30days ( normal rate is 155Rs ) ….. for 27Rs 20RsTT+ 30ps/min 60 days …… for 23 Rs 150min 15days….. ( i have checked my friends, my relatives no…. )
            voda is giving best offers like 1. 16Rs 80MB 30days 2. 8Rs 30ps/min 30days 3. 91Rs=91Rs TT
            airtel also has offer but i dont say that are offers
            so i dont agree that A-VO-ID are costly …..
            if you are airtel customer , dial *121*1#
            if you are vodafone customer, dial *121#
            if you are idea customer, dial *122#
            unfortunately airtel,voda, idea dont have proper signal in my home….

  • Imon Aryan March 4, 2014 1:54 pm

    LEAVE tata docomo !

    use AIRCEL !

    Coz uninor would no more offer 3g /net . else than voice calls.

    so the cheapest operator would only 1 AIRCEL with pan india 2g , 13 circles 3g, 8circles sure 4g .nd wifi .

    • Chetan March 4, 2014 2:16 pm

      Even aircel future is bleak, twice I ported my no. Thinking they would have improved their coverage and 3G speeds but it’s still pathetic. One self looses connectivity on state and national highways. It comes back only once you reach next town or village. Company is continuously switching off towers in exteriors and non profitable places.

      Why no telco is interested to buy aircel as it promoters are still under govt and CBI scanner and no venture capitalist wants to spend further to enhance network as promoters have no revival theme or plans

      Aircel will eventually die under its bad name

      • Imon Aryan March 4, 2014 3:04 pm

        Yupz ! bro

        but atleast AIRCEL GAINING .

        And waiting for a shake when they would get positive EBIDTA . And they have limited networks. but still much better than TATA DOCOMO.And still providing self help feature ,where Reliance sleeping .

        And Rcom ,,bharti airtel is also on debt .
        and Idea is going to bid on next auction for making sure to renewal their old licence.

        so wait and see ,,,where market and telco ‘es balance sheet goes.

      • Raj March 4, 2014 3:20 pm

        Easy buddy easy…, either you work in one of those A-Vo-Id or you seem to have completely misunderstood how mobile network market has come so far in India. Those A-Vo-Id(although there was Hutch not Vodafone) have earned huge profits till few years ago & prices were no where near to consumer’s reach. It just that Raja’s spectrum giving away(good or bad that’s a whole other topic) that pushed the prices down thanks to some new entrants as well. The low balance sheets of Airtel is because of their ambitious plan of being number one in the entire Africa, the whole income dumped over there & burned their hands. And they still hardly making any profits there. And about Idea & now Vodafone, people still use it but most of the people porting out to other networks because other networks are more or less same(in network coverage terms) with much cheaper rates than what they(A-Vo-Id) are offering(believe me I see a lot of places with BSNL coverage in my state than Vodafone or Idea or even Airtel). Why haven’t they built infrastructure during the times when they enjoyed huge profits with huge margins. Now they complain about cheaper market!!. I bet that they can still make profits with 1p/sec plans if they offer(you stop all those 1p/2sec or other things, just give plain 1p/sec), because it pushes the usage. People start using it more & more which result in revenue. It’s not that any operator will make losses if they give 1p/sec plan, it’s just that their percentage of profits or I should say margins comes down, but these A-Vo-Id are greedy want the money overnight & want huge profits. This same A-Vo-Id cartel has refused to participate in the auctions when government put up the spectrum for Rs.280 billion as per the recommended price of TRAI back in 2012(granted there was no 900Mhz but there was 800 Mhz but if you read a report in Economics time it was reported that the price is on par with every other market in the world, not over priced as these A-Vo-Id, especially Vodafone picturized it to be, only thing is that they have to find ways to get back that investment) & in 2013 Government slashed the rates by 30-50% but still there were no bidders, these same morons paid about same prices or much higher prices in the just concluded auction. The whole point of India is cheaper market & network operators can’t get their investment back is just ridiculous for me. Put up some good coverage, just as you(or other operators) do in those so called ‘better priced’ markets, people will use your services. You know why 3G has failed?, it’s because all the operators launched 3G with the least coverage possible & still put some high prices for their services. I live in Visakhapatnam, it’s a tier-II city the second big city after Hyderabad in Andhra Pradesh, but I still don’t have 3G coverage in the entire city. Now, who will use the 3G service if there is no coverage covering the entire tier-II city, you expect customer to run to scarcely erected 3G tower some where in the centre of the city every time he/she wants to use 3G. But these guys want to earn money & then they think about investing or improving network, what a joke is that. Put up investment first, cover at least big cities completely then launch your product at decent prices(not cheap…) people will run after your services. Reliance Info led by Mukesh Ambani seems to be doing same thing with their 4G roll out(at least that’s what reports suggest).

        • Raj March 4, 2014 3:42 pm

          Sorry Pls Ignore the above reply it was intended as a reply to another comment posted on top.

    • Rama March 4, 2014 2:26 pm

      @Imon
      Come down to TN or chennai and you would see the extent to which aircel has hiked tariffs over here.Aircel might be having low tariffs in other states because of low cutomer base but once they gain enough customers they are gonna increase the tariff.Its actually uninor’s 2G only stratergy thats gonna help them remain a low cost operator in the long run.

    • manu March 4, 2014 2:53 pm

      plzz dint talk about AIRCEL…… A worst company which make stupid things….

      • prasad mayya March 4, 2014 4:49 pm

        i am from karnataka….. i think vodafone and idea gives best offers …..
        vodafone offers to me:
        1.8Rs- 30ps/min local calls 30days
        2. 8Rs- 10ps/min local voda 30days
        3.16Rs- 80MB 2G 30 days
        4.12Rs- 35ps/min local or std – 30 days
        5. 91Rs= 91Rs full talktime
        6.100Rs= 100Rs TT+ 100MB+100sms 30 days
        idea offers
        1.58Rs – 1GB 2G 30 days
        2.27Rs– 20Rs TT+ 30ps/min 60 days
        i bought vodafone sim 2 month ago…. i have checked my friends voda sim also …. they are all have same offers ( but they didnt know about it )…… you have to dial *121#
        for idea you have to dial *122#
        so every one need not to worry about base tarriff ….. but i prefer cdma for excellent voice carity, coverage, low tariff

  • Rama March 4, 2014 1:52 pm

    As far as I have heard I think maybe the government has some stake in TTSL,is that not going to be a hurdle,just asking,i am not a telecom expert.

    • Imon Aryan March 4, 2014 1:57 pm

      Govt has stake in TATA COMMUNICATION (erstwhile VSNL/videsh sanchar nigam limited) ,not in TATA Teleservices.

      • Rama March 4, 2014 2:09 pm

        @Imon
        I know but you refer the article below buddy.Now I dont think the article can be wrong
        hindustantimes.com/business-news/vodafone-s-bid-to-buy-tata-tele-hits-roadblock/article1-1179571.aspx
        Please insert [www.] before the link or you can simply search it on google.

        • Imon Aryan March 4, 2014 2:58 pm

          RAMA

          I just checked. And found that the govt stake ,which u are talking about is written in HT about TATA COMMUNICATION.

          Wanna tell u … TATA GROUP has 2 ventures in telecom arena 1 > tata teleservices (tata docomo)
          2> tata communications (ild nd backhaul operator)

          TATA Group planned to exit completely ,,and that why the just agreed sell Neotel (unit of tata comm) to VODACOM (vodafone partnered venture in africa) .

          just wait and you would know later , tatas completely exited .

          tata already started selling process to sell stakes in VIOM Networks (tatas tower company with srei infra).

          so TATA just exiting telecom sector.

          • Rama March 4, 2014 3:32 pm

            I dont know bro as far as I have read the article its clearly written “TTSL has refused to buy the government stake unless and until the valuation is raised”
            If its tata communications then the article should have mentioned tata communications and not TTSL.
            I probably guess the two deals are somewhat interconnected.
            The sale of nortel in africa to vodacom and the sale of tata docomo in India to vodafone IN is after all between the same parent companies.A blockage in one of the deal might affect the other also.After all I aint any telecom expert and I am just assuming.

    • Chetan March 4, 2014 2:02 pm

      Govt has stake in tata communications and not tata teleservices. VSNL was acquired by tata and was named as tata communications. Tata com manages the under sea optic cable and ILD SERVICES

      • Rama March 4, 2014 2:22 pm

        @Chetan
        Bro you can refer to the link in the comment above your comment and then tell me all those stuffs.

  • Saurabh March 4, 2014 1:36 pm

    Me and my family members are using TTSL’s CDMA services and many of them have recharged it with Rs.1200 which offers unlimited calling to any Tata number (CDMA, GSM, Landline, Wireless Landline, T24, etc) in Mumbai, Maharashtra and Goa for a year..
    If Vodafone stops their CDMA services then all the recharge amount and handsets will become waste.. As the only CDMA provider which will be there in market is Reliance..
    I wish they continue offering their CDMA services..

    • Linto March 4, 2014 2:19 pm

      CDMA IS THE BEST TECHNOLOGY FOR VOICE AND DATA, The only problem that prevented people from adopting it in India is locked devices, people will feel their investment for the device will be a waste if the service is not good, if there is an unlocked device they can switch to another operator , companies must concentrate on that marketing idea, and stop wasting money for gsm1800mhz. Now there are 4 operators in cdma bsnl, mts, reliance, docomo… all of them should join and market unlocked open market handsets… then the cdma will bloom….

      • Abhishek March 4, 2014 3:27 pm

        @Linto — There are unlocked cdma handsets in the market..I am using Htc Desire vc ( cdma + gsm) running ICS..I use evdo of both reliance & tata..But such handsets are very few..

        • Linto March 5, 2014 12:32 am

          If the operators themselves market unlocked handsets , there will be more adoption of CDMA, the business will bloom. so the customer will be able to choose among 4 cdma operators (bsnl, mts, docomo, reliance) with the same handset, good coverage, voice quality and high speed data.

          1900MHZ gsm is shit, they dont need to go behind that!, the gsm1900mhz and 3g made loss for tata.

      • prasad mayya March 4, 2014 4:59 pm

        yes i too agree…..
        i have tata walky …. tower is 6km away…. i get full signal ….
        i have mts basic set ( bought for 400Rs ) … tower is 12km away……i get 2 or 3 bar
        airtel/voda/idea ….tower is just 1km away….. but i cant get signal inside …i have to run to outside … still no clear sound …..
        mts is best in karnataka ….. low tariff, excellent coverage, best voice clarity .. i can talk to other mts customer for 52Rs only for 30 days …. i use mts smartphone sim in unlocked cdma data card ….. 178Rs 500MB evdo then 1x unlimited 30 days

        • chaitanya West Bengal March 4, 2014 6:47 pm

          Ya, I m from west Bengal and a fan of CDMA, voice and data service from MTS and Reliance. The real best signal strength and clarity of voice and super 21KBps 2G flawless and capping free data from both. Just use a unlocked mobile and data dongle handset from open market and use one time, who have never used the CDMA service they must see the big difference from gsm and cdma. Now u can buy open market handset from MICROMAX and any other Indian handset vendors with very reasonable price for a basic mobile. Also the smart phones are now available with less than gsm handsets. At west BengaL
          U can buy basic unlocked mobile from Rs.700/- to Rs.2500/-(CDMA + GSM).
          MTS CDMA OFFERS WITH NEW AND PORT ED OFFER FOR FREE
          1.MTS CALLS FREE FOR 1 MONTH
          2.1 YRS(YES 1YRS ) MTS TO MTS 10paisa
          3. 1 yrs All local mobile calls 25paisa
          4.1Yrs STD all INDIA 35paisa.
          5.Also sms are in very low than any other
          6. Rs 92/- for 2Gb internet for 30days 2g mobile pack but can use with open dongle.
          7.Rs.142/-for 6Gb internet for 30days 2g mobile pack but can use with open dongle.
          8.Super High Speed 3g plus (Not for all areas) but really fast than any other with good packs.
          8.Always use recharge Rs.121/- to get Rs.125/- talk time.
          9.Rs. 12/- free for 1 day to MTS.
          10.Rs.14/- for Any mobile 40min(plus 10 to 35 min extra) for 30days.
          11. Rs. 23/- sms any no for 02 paisa for 1 month.
          12. many more good packs for local std and mts calls.
          Just use and leave others ….

          reliance cdma also have very good offers.

          • Chandra Sekhar Mandal March 4, 2014 7:29 pm

            Really 6GB @Rs142 in MTS.
            Is it 1X or EVDO speed?
            How did you get this….please explain in detail.

            • chaitanya West Bengal March 6, 2014 10:18 am

              @CHANDRA SEKHAR MANDAL
              I AM CLEARLY WRITTEN HERE THAT IT IS 2G DATA WITH DOWNLOAD speed 21KBPS , use any unlocked cdma dongle and normal MTS voice sim(uim) and just recharge it and get 6gb data for days for Rs, 142/- Many of my friends now using it … Any query just reply