Idea of Regulating WhatsApp & Others is the Worst Situation, What is Airtel upto?

In a recent media interaction Bharti Airtel’s Indian operations’ head Gopal Vittal said that Over-the-Top players like WhatsApp, Skype, LINE, WeChat etc should be regulated and should be under some jurisdiction.

WhatsAppThis comes when most popular IM service provider WhatsApp, recently acquired by Facebook, plans to set up voice calls. Currently Indian operators generate majority of revenue (nearly 70-80%) from voice and text messages. With the rise of OTT players like WhatsApp, hike, Skype, LINE, WeChat, Viber users shifted their text messaging behaviour to these applications.

As these apps will be and some are already offering voice services, this could change the profit-sheets of telcos in a negative way. These apps with the rise of smartphones will change users’ behaviour – from basic voice & text to data. But Indian operators could not make 3G popular to that extent of 2G internet. If we could see the future Reliance Jio is coming with ultra high speed 4G mobile broadband with disruptive marketing strategy; this could lead to an end of monopoly of incumbents (AVoId), as well small players will be in great trouble.

Airtel seems to start their campaigning to restrict the use of these apps in India. But this goes against the basic rule of internet – fight to freedom. Restriction of VoIP in the country is not a good thing to see. More importantly how many apps will they block? In that way Google Play Store can be blocked as in China and there will be substaintial growth of 3rd party apps.

Instead of doing these why don’t Airtel look into collaborating with OTT players and accept the changed scenario to serve a country with young people full of endless possibilities? As a reader how do you look at this move by Airtel.

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  • Hetal June 10, 2014 12:18 pm

    Why idea not start to watsups packaging?

  • Jan March 4, 2014 3:02 pm

    instead of regulating applications’, why cant these players come with some innovative ideas to generate income…??

  • Sajal March 3, 2014 10:52 pm

    I’m a Vodafone customer and I spend around 200 bucks monthly for 3g, any moment vodafone starts censoring the internet, I will stop my vodafone 3g and instead start using something else. Wifi or aircel/tata/bsnl sim inserted into some 3g mifi device. ssh/VPN tunneling

    Can’t find any reason, why should I live with internet restrictions, I’m sure they will lose in the end. At least won’t get my 200 bucks.. and I will make sure 100 of my friends don’t give their hard earned money to useless restricted 3g.

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  • Ganesh March 3, 2014 7:00 pm

    This is outrage! Airtel can go to hell. I will port out of Airtel the moment they start throttling or filtering any of theses applications (chat / VoIP). Or I will use a monthly VPN to encrypt my traffic so that Airtel can’t throttle anything. Yes I am ready to pay for the extra overhead generated for encrypting my data.

  • bapu behera March 3, 2014 12:26 am

    tel cos should allow every service that can be provided by internet. After all we are paying them for using there network resources.

  • Abrar March 2, 2014 1:35 pm

    Idea of regulating Whatsapp is akin to regulating internet. India is right now on the verge of data revolution and telecom companies must innovate today to keep their balance sheets healthy. It was the strategy of Airtel and Vodafone to retain 900 Mhz at any cost in Mumbai, Delhi & Kolkata and they succeeded in it. However this move will definitely going to haunt them if mobile broadband rates dwindle due to entry of new telecom players like Reliance Jio and WiFi hotspots becoming omnipresent.
    How much leeway is still there for telecom operators to reduce the data rates is better known by them. However if they want to be a part of data revolution then there is no other option but to reduce the price. Otherwise I have started seeing groups of persons subscribing to unlimited wireline broadband plans and sharing the cost of monthly rental amongst them.

  • Ajith March 2, 2014 11:18 am

    @Rama

    Yes, you are right.

    • Rama March 2, 2014 11:59 am

      Lol dont take it personally bro.Even I am against the concept of ads because its gonna result in a serious breach of privacy but thats mostly gonna happen since facebbok cannot regain its money by charging users a yearly fee.Even if every user were to be charged 3$ and if everyone also agrees to pay then its still gona take 7 years for facebook to regain its money.7 years is too long and a lot changes in tech industry in 7 years.So facebbok mostly is not gonna take that route and they are gonna make fast buck with the help of ads.

  • shuvi March 1, 2014 11:21 pm

    i dnt think they can do it any time soon. it need customers avarness..

  • Darshan March 1, 2014 9:29 pm

    Thank god..BSNL works well here…but is usual that if they want their company to run they have to increase the rates…
    But 1 more thing 1 can do is take a postpaid connection of avoid grp by which u r bounded in 2G 1gb @125rs for lifetime by which u have to not take tensions abt sudden hikes..also if there is some alternate options for data like BSNL or DOCOMO 3G working well then go for it.

  • Nandlal March 1, 2014 9:07 pm

    I don’t understand why Whats App is the only choice when there are lots of other apps. Will someone please explain about the popularity of Whats App?

    I personally used Hangouts from Google and found it very useful on my lappy and phone both.

    • Akhil Mohan March 2, 2014 11:48 am

      I too don’t like whatsappppp. But since all my friends are using it I havent got a choice :(

      I like nimbuzz more.

      • Nandlal March 2, 2014 7:22 pm

        Me too found nimbuzz very useful as we can chat with our friends from different services just from one place. :)

  • Ajith March 1, 2014 6:00 pm

    agreed. Credit card penetration is low and not many have paypal. so majority Indians cant pay for whatsapp. India is not the end of the world. There are others across the globe 101% willing to pay for whatsapp.
    Now coming back to India.. I have got information that Google has plans to introduce operator billing for google play store. They are in talks with key players for launching the same. Once its available, people can buy apps, make in app purchases and the amount will be deducted from their account balance. Google also plans to launch their gift card worlwide. These gift cards can be reedemed in google play store and the points can be used for buying from playstore.

    When these services will become reality, I dont know. But once it does, it will be a game changer.
    Do you think people will stay away from paying Rs 55 a year for whatsapp when they are paying around Rs 150 for bakwas 2G and spends much on exorbitant rate cutters and other bonus packs.

    YES THEY WILL.

    Maybe facebook will generate revenues from whatsapp only after many years if they charge a dollar or so from random user. Thats up to them to increse it to 2 dollars or 3 dollars or charge everyone on the planet. They just didnt want whatsapp to be in Googles basket and they succeeded.

    • Rama March 1, 2014 10:36 pm

      @ajith
      India is just an example bro.When I say developing countries I even mean Nepal,China,Indonesia,Africa and so many more.Only Europeans ,Ausrtalians and Americans are willing to pay for apps as these are developed countries with high enough per capita income.Developing countries are really populous and have scope for future growth whereas this is not the case with developed countries.As much as 80% of the world lives in developing countries.Ignoring such a huge population would do no good to whatsapp.

      Lets see if Google implemets in app payments via operators.I dont think they are really serious about app payments.If they were really serious about in app payments.they would have had tie ups with operators by now.Lets not forget that the Google who is talking about in-app payments is the same one to have the option of “Install apps from unknown sources present”.So they are indirectly promoting piracy and for you kind info world’s most populous country China has Play Store banned.

      I have already mentioned in my previous comment as of how Facebook cannot earn much by charging everyone 1$ per year.You yourself have understood that and have yourself said that if only yearly payments were to be made Facebook would have to charge as much as 3$ to regain the money spent and as far as present rates are concerned 3$ mean 180Rs.I dont think EVERYONE is ready to pay an amount that high when other chat apps like we chat can provide chat for free.

      If everything has to be done in a way whatsapp wants then how is it an acquistion in the first place,but obviously Facebook wants to have some control over a chat app on which they have spent 19 billion$.

      Lastly dont believe on the words said by industrialists,just one day before the launch of nexus 5 an LG reprensentative said that they wont be making the nexus 5.

      Yeah Fb did not want whatsapp in googles basket and you know why because both are advertisment companies.Just like how TV channels compete with each other to make a batter soap or serial so that TV watchers would watch their channel more and the other channel less,similarly FB and google competed over whatsapp to have more users to collect data from.The ad business is all about quantity.The more sources of data collection the more the ads and the more the revenue.

    • Khaleel March 3, 2014 10:06 am

      They should change their payment gateway to accept debit cards.
      I think 3D pin mandated by RBI is the cause of failed debit cards in their pg.
      I used virtual card(hdfc netsafe) for international payments, but it wont work with play store as the card will expire on first payment.

  • abdul hameed March 1, 2014 5:53 pm

    if airtel want to regulating IM’s then why they increasing the tariffs and reducing the number of sms

  • Arif March 1, 2014 4:17 pm

    Even if these operator block/regulate WhatsApp or other IM services, other will start after seeing opportunity in DATA segment. Or any other week operator will start giving DATA packs of 1GB or 2GB and people will port out.

  • TONPE DADA March 1, 2014 1:08 pm

    ONE solution to arrogance of AVOID use dual sim handset and keep their sim only for incoming/minimum use and use uninor aircel docomo reliance sim for outgoing calls, data and sms.

  • Muhawid P B March 1, 2014 11:54 am

    Wi-fi solutions were becoming more relevant for mobile phone companies as they entailed lower cost of deployment and rollouts compared with 3G and 4G networks that offer higher speeds while browsing the internet. While airwaves and mobile permits need to be bought for launching 3G and 4G services, wi-fi airwaves are free. Wi-fi hotspots ride on the fibre networks.All smartphones available in market today (some feature phones too)support wifi service.

    I wish jio to launch wifi services pan india.and I believe it will be cheaper than mobile internet since they are not using spectrum to provide wifi service.

    Then everyone will stop using 2g and 3g.and operators will continue to increase data prices

  • Akbar Mukadam March 1, 2014 10:38 am

    i believe instead of regulating messenger they focus in impovement. airtel service sucks n expensive to… calls n sms are very expensive n nw data services is in same track. however, network is getting worst day by days…

  • Arif Shaikh March 1, 2014 10:12 am

    The parasite telecos are not here to serve but Earn, Earn & Earn… ThankGod for the rapid rise of IM services, they are finally getting a taste of their own medicine. They can try restricting it but their efforts will be in vain.. Block or as they say “regulate” one and 10 new services will spring up!
    Its time the telecos accept the fact that in near future they will solely be data providers as their revenue from their own voice/text continue to go downhill.

  • idea888 March 1, 2014 10:00 am

    yes they wil increase price uoto Rs 200 for 1 gb. but remember they getting more ARPU from Data packs . i.e. peoples are spending around 150-190 pm becuse of WhatsApp n all stuff. so it is better to get sma packs at 5-10 paise without cap and at just rs. 10 pm all thia sms packs. due to Whatsap peoples are left the sms packa and joined Data packs. So ultimately we are Equally Responsible For some extent

    • Rama March 1, 2014 2:20 pm

      @idea
      I dont know why you always pass on the blame on “us”.There is a limit of 100/SMS per day and whatsapp by no means has any limit.apart from that the avoid group now charges as much as 33rs/month for local and national sms and 50p for the first sms.Apart from that your normal SMS cannot let me send videos or pics for free,I need to send an MMS for that and have to be chrged seperately.If operators charge so high for all these stuffs and if IM apps porvide the same for almost free,then who would not use IM apps.The world is not an idiot to leave IM apps and pay these oprators mindlessly,we are alreading paying them for data apcks for using these IM apps.They should be happy with that and gradually shift from voice centric to data centric operators.

  • opinion March 1, 2014 9:55 am

    Airtel needs to concentrate on its own business and stop dictating terms which does not concern it. I have the right to communicate with whom I want and how I want. I have not given Airtel the right to tell me how to keep in touch with my contacts. Just like no one has the right to open my mail except me and my intended recipient similarly no one has the right to govern my use of any communication platform. I’m not an Airtel subscriber and don’t use their services to gain access to VOIP or Whatsapp etc. If Airtel has a problem they’re free to make changes on their own network without dictating terms to me.

    • LolaChan March 1, 2014 12:59 pm

      airtel is not authorise to say to stop the voip solution in india.its a very fast slution for voice communication and accepted most of the country,this is the part of developement of a country.if airtel want to stop this,they just stop this facility over their services.

  • Amit March 1, 2014 7:36 am

    Even though VOIP calls are cheaper one cannot use it for day-to-day use, VOIP has eaten operators margin in International long distance calls. Anyways Operators know how to get business out of every scenario.
    They will increase 1GB internet price to 200RS & continue making money

  • Rama March 1, 2014 1:13 am

    Even I personally feel that nothing can stop these IM apps from growing.Some of the comments like hike belongs to bharti,and comment from esmail regarding mms and video calling are absolutely true.I understand that some hard-core telecom fans are having a hard time dealing with it but this is bound to happen.Internet has destroyed lots of industries and its only now coming to telecom.Take the music industry for example,its essentially companies like T-Series and Sony Music who spend millions on signing singers and producing music CDs.Before the internet boom took place,people had no choice but to go to music store and buy a CD so that they could listen to music.But once the internet boom took place sites like songspk.com,mp3 skull etc became really popular and with laptops,computers and internet becoming affordable people started to download and listen music for free from these sites.Whom do you find going to a CD store these days so that they could buy a CD and listen to music,only hard-core music fans right.Otherwise a majority of people in India now download songs for free.Similarly how many people do you find going to landmark or some other place for buying a movie CD,after the intro of torrent many people now prefer downloading movies in HD or full HD for free.The same thing is gonna happen in the telecom space also,it has already happened in the west and as smartphones become better and 3G coverage improves its going to happen in India too.I have already detailed in one post that how whatsapp or any other IM for that case is not going have some exclusive deal with all operators and now that whatsapp has come under FB its mostly going to be free and is gonna use the ad based model for revenue generation.This is bound to happen,infact I actually find the telecom operators at a better position that the music industry,because these VOIP apps are gonna run on internet which is again being provided by operators only,so they have some positive thing also coming along with the IM boom whereas for the music and film industry the internet only meant negative things.Change is bound to happen people cannot forever use the same thing.

  • Idris March 1, 2014 12:20 am

    Airtel is talking nonsense, they should learn a lesson from BlackBerry which is no more in the market because of this restrictive strategy and expensive plans, they lost the game, same thing will happen to Airtel.
    instead of restrictions they should offer better voice, mms and sms plans so that people will start using the service, there are hundreds of apps which offer Voip / VOID mostly people use the same via wifi because 2G is rubbish in India and 3G is just shit here, so airtel has gone crazy and they need to talk sense and stop this nonsense,

    • Jagannath March 1, 2014 1:16 am

      Completely agree

  • S.Sudhakar February 28, 2014 11:09 pm

    To all :

    Simply do not day dream of reliance 4G or any 4G provider (including the shamelss airtel) where 2G speed is dead and 3G speed is in coma at most of the places.

  • Karandeep singh February 28, 2014 11:03 pm

    Airtel , for your kind information I am using data packs for whatsapp only and to browse sites like telecomtalk.info which is my favourite site and I can found everything which I want. so you think whatsapp is eating your revenue, seriously? If there is no whatsapp then I will not use data packs as I can use my wifi for internet use then what will you do if I use whatsapp from wifi only

  • Ajith February 28, 2014 10:47 pm

    In a recent interview whatsapp founder Jan Koum made it clear that they dont have any plan to make it free for the timebeing. He said he is happy with the current monetisation policy (first year free, then $1 for every year) and it will stay.
    Whatsapp is acquired by Facebook doesnt mean its gone !
    Whatsapp will remain as a seperate entity and fuction “independently” under Jan Koum itself. That was one of the important part of the deal and the reason why Jan Koum didnt sell it to Google. If he had sold it to Google the scenario would have been totally different. Whatsapp would have become an exclusive product of Google with Jan Koum not having any role in its functioning or operation.
    But indeed Google would have given it for free to all users

    • Rama March 1, 2014 1:39 am

      @ajith
      make no mistake bro.Facebook is not mad to buy whatsapp for 19 billion $ and make no use of it.Whatsapp was not earning a boat load of money by charging random users a $ every year.Even if I were to assume that post whatsapp acqusition facebook charges each and every user one dollar every year and even if every user pays one dollar then too that total earnings from whatsapp would only be 450 million $ every year.It would take facebook as much as 20 years to regain the 19 billion $ they have spent on whatsapp,let alone any kind of profit.In case everyone is forced to pay one dollar lets not forget the high risk of whatsapp losing customers to rivals like wechat etc in developing markets like India where credit card penetration is low and a dollar means 55rs.Facebook made similar promises while acquiring instagram but still ads came on instagram.Once a company kicks of like an ad company they continue with same mantra all along.The real reason why Google did not want whatsapp to fall in the hands of FB is because whatsapp is a rich source of data and Google knows very well that anyone can make an awesome ad based model from data collected therough whatsapp.

  • Esmail February 28, 2014 10:36 pm

    Apps like whatsapp, Viber, Vonage, Rebtel are the need of the hour, and it is because of apps like these that Multimedia file sharing and Video calling has picked up popularity. Otherwise since a very long time there have been services like MMS being offered by these incumbent telcos, where they used to charge Rs.5 per MMS for sending across a single photo, and in the 10 years of having used mobile services I hardly remember receiving an MMS once, same goes for the regular Video calling offered by telcos when 3G was launched (Without the need for an external app like skype) this type of calling was supported by Nokia S60 series without using smartphone apps, and again I have hardly seen anyone using this service. It is these IM and VoIP apps which are leading to the technological evolution of the user trends and is the cause of the upcoming Data Tsunami as it was termed in the last Reliance communications anual general meeting. It is true that the usage trends are changing and the change is for the better, and telcos will have to understand that this shift is inevitable, it has happened in the west many years ago and is happening in India now, so rather than playing spoiled sport and trying to restrict their use, they should come up with other innovative ways to make more revenue from it. Take for example Reliance communications, they were the first to launch dedicated data plans for whatsapp and facebook, so they could tap revenue from the group who did not previously subscribe to data services because they couldn’t afford it, instead they would now get an added Rs.16 per user who was previously not using data services, thus increasing their ARPU. AVoId will either have to play along with the changing trend of mobile usage, or will have to perish in the competition with operators who have a more user friendly approach because no matter what they do there will always be people who will find an alternate way to communicate in a more economical manner and then all their efforts will seem in vain.

  • Dump Head February 28, 2014 10:36 pm

    How the hell you can support this damned airtel network and talk????
    what the hell they mean by “this network payed crores and crores of money so we support airtel movement”
    i don’t think that there will not be anyone here who doesn’t know the profit making by this company each year.
    They payed crores and crores of money to government and ofcourse they are spending for network expansion too.BUT
    Who the hell told them that it is instant msging apps that reduced there revenue from texts?
    It was airtel this shit network that created the problem ,it was airtel which blocked for the first time msgs send from docomo,causing a msg war between operators,resulted hike in msg packs.
    There data pack 3G,4G whatever may it be,who told them there data packs used only for whatsapp,line,viber e.t.c.???They should earn back there money by providing services like voice,text,data,vas e.t.c. not by putting some bullshit regulations to some instant msg apps.
    Instant messengers like whatsapp use your mobile numbers for registration,then why they saying the need of regulating instant messengers for any kind of security reasons?
    This unreasonable support only encourages them to take more dirty policies.
    It is total shame on airtel to say that some instant msgs apps reduced there revenue,so need to put regulations on them also after sometimes you will definetly say to put regulation on facebook msgs.
    What i only liked in this company is that there beautiful theme music,it was composition of a great musician named A.R.RAHMAN.
    anyways i started porting my friends and relatives from this damned network,for growing of a better telecom field in our country.

  • Ajith February 28, 2014 10:31 pm

    bloody hell.. what a joke sirji !

    How many guys are aware that Airtel is behind the instant messenger app Hike ?? It was Kavin Bharti Mittal’s idea to come up with something to compete with whatsapp. Initially no one bothered. Then they introduced the free sms feature and the app got some attention. The app was nothing but a copy cat of whatsapp, wechat and obviously little bit facebook with a stuttering, omnious UI.

    Mittal has understood that nothing can stop whatsapp. And now whatsapp is in safe hands.! No wonder why junior Mittal is worried.

    First let Airtel provide quality service. Who fought with TRAI and DOT over sms termination charge? Who the hell reduced the number of sms while exorbitanly increased the rates of the pack ?
    Who always led the telecos when it came to increasing every rate and decreasing every freebee ??

    Airtel did.. And now these looters want to control whatsapp. IRONY guys IRONY

    Such losers. F&** with your hike

    Wait till Reliance Jio begins roll out. If they provide affordable services then it would be the end of Airtel. After that Mittals can hike each other whole day :X

  • Rama February 28, 2014 10:04 pm

    @Saurabh
    I dont know about telecom but still whatever you have said maybe correct.But still from a tech point of view I dont think whatsapp is going to charge after being acquired by FB.Infact when whatsapp was independent at that time also for many users whatsapp used to automatically renew the licenses without charging a fee.There is already a lot of competition in the tech field for whatsapp from LINE,we chat etc and if whatsapp indeed starts charging a fee per month then it would not take a lot of time for price sensitive users in India to flock to other free VOIP apps like wechat,line etc.Apart from that even FB follows an ad based model and keeps FB free for all,I Think Zuckerberg is going to use the same ad based funda for whatsapp as well.FB might club the data collected from FB and whatsapp for a specific user and then from the pool of data display relevant ads to the specific user on both whatsapp as well as FB.I think getting a hand on the data of users was the main aim with which FB had acquired whatsapp.Anyhow lets see what happens,even Sunil Mital is also a very powerful man and anything can happen.But the possibilty of whatsapp making any kind of an agreement with airtel is low because there is essentially no one stopping whatsapp from being free and Mark Zuckerberg is not gonna waste his 19 billion$ for airtel.If such kind of an agreement between operators and IM apps was possible then it would have been done long back in countries like Europe and America.If airtel wants they can exclusively charge for whatsapp but any kind of a deal such that whatsapp is being charged a dollar or two per month irrespective of the operator is mostly not possible as FB would not agree to it.Apart from that if airtel indeed starts charging exclusively for whatsapp then cheap operators like aircel wtc would use this as there selling and say that whatsapp is not charges exclusively on their network.

  • Dump Head February 28, 2014 9:26 pm

    To TELECOMTALK GUYS,
    i misunderstood you dudes,for a short time…i thought you were too feeded by AVOID group…now happy that you give this news as a real telecom journalists…good luck to your venture..

  • S.Sudhakar February 28, 2014 9:05 pm

    Warning to all mobile providers :

    We will VoIP extensively :
    > If you increase the call rates (imporing 1st minute restriction, first 30 seconds at Rs.0.01 per second and rest 30 seconds free in a minute etc)

    > If reduce the booster pack validity further from the default 30, 90, 180 days

    > If you do not reduce call rate to landlines in India

    > If you increase the ISD call and roaming rates (In airtel, the incoming call rate during international prepaid roaming was Rs.50 per minute but now Rs.100 per minute, SMS sent during international roaming was Rs.15 per SMS. But now Rs.25 per SMS, Outgoing international call during international roaming was Rs.100 per minute but now Rs.150 per minute)

    > If you do not abolish international roaming rental in prepaid and postpaid

    I know that you won’t do the above changes. We will use VoIP and internet texting softwares (whatsapp, nimbuzz (for mobile and PC), viber, telegram, yahoo messenger (for mobile and PC), etc. Lets see what shameless thing you will do.

  • RAJESH February 28, 2014 8:57 pm

    When i taken aircel number in karnataka almost 1 and half year back (subscribers around 13 lakhs)i feel call rates and
    data plans are much cheaper,but to day i feel it is costly(now subscribers r more than 25 lakhs).When i taken new number
    there is no 3G signal in my area but today i am getting 3G full signal.

    for examle:
    Half paise per sec with out any special recharge.
    but today it is 1.2 paise per sec.

    All data plans increased(but compare to other operators it is still cheap).

    My Final conclusion is When ever an operator increases there network and getting more subscribers they will increase
    call rates and data plans.

    If aircel increasing the call rates why cant other operates like Airtel,Voda,Idea increases there call rates which is having
    more subscribers and better network than aircel.

    Reguarding Apps for me for calling i use LINE for sms i use Whatapp.I am happy with this,but to be frank for
    telecom operators apps r like piracy.

  • Ramen February 28, 2014 8:47 pm

    these operators bid for 3G – not upto the mark response!
    bid for 4G – not available in most parts, fails!
    bid for 900mhz – this investment should be in their plan.

    but 3g & 4g is a tricky business for them, as their revenue comes from voice n text. jio gets a thumbs up being a greenfield operator on 2300 & 1800mhz.

  • YOGESH February 28, 2014 7:48 pm

    Total mobile user in india : 92 cr. Internet users : 23 cr. Smartphone users : 7 cr. Smartphone users who use data packs : 5 cr. So only 6 % of total users in india use these apps. To use apps internet data required. users recharge for 150- 250 RS / 1 GB 2G/3G to A V I. Only 11% of income is from data while 80% is still from voice call / sms use. Still A V I say apps cause their income reduce. Already people pay to use internet , still A V I want to charge extra , why ? In few next few months R JIO ll start WIFI , n internet / voice service. Even today aircel , bsnl , uninor , tata gsm r in market. So users ve many option n again MNP s there. N @ present no need to worry : Mr . Faruki : Top official of telecom dept , told reporters : No instant decision n so no extra charges for Apps use

  • abhishek chatterjee February 28, 2014 7:40 pm

    i think india me 2 types k internet plans hone chahiye..

    1st.. jisme IM messengers & social networking sites use kr paye n baki sabhi sites blocked ho.. data balance bhi kam ho & plans bhi costly ho like Rs100 me 1GB.
    jisse log jada VoIP calling na kar paye..

    2nd.. internet packs jisme sare sites access kr paye expect IM messengers.. isse internet plans bhi cheap honge.. phele ki tarah Rs100 me 4GB to 6GB..

  • Saurabh February 28, 2014 6:54 pm

    Operators are not wrong actually looking at the investment they make. People will keep shouting at them but at the end operator has also got the right to earn. They can’t provide the facilities on their own so that companies based outside India can earn from it. So increasing charges for data is not at all a bad step. When you invest a lot, you have all the rights to recover it.

    If customer thinks they can trick operator by using cheap methods like WhatsApp or Viber for calls etc. operator has no other option then to monetize this i.e charging for data at higher points. But currently the situation is not that bad as there are less than 20% of mobile users that actually use these apps or subscribe to an Internet pack. Operators themselves accept that their income from data services are 1/5 or 1/6 of their total revenues. But we can’t deny that with data boom, they will struggle if they provide cheaper data plans with voice becoming less usable thing.

    The best part that can be done on this part is tie up with these App providers and have a fixed fee for using it or make use of these apps chargeable even though data pack is active and have a different pack or fee for using it. One of the example is Tata Docomo which charges for use of vuclips even after having data packs :P

    Now cheap service freaks can shout at me for my comment. :D

    • Nishant February 28, 2014 7:32 pm

      Shouldn’t customers moving towards data be seen as the growth of the sector?

      They can increase the data cost if the choose, but pushing for apps regulations is too much.

      And yes I do prefer things which costs less ;-)

    • s.a.rahman February 28, 2014 7:38 pm

      You have time and patience to type this 500 word essay in favour of airtel
      is this a paid comment.
      I think so??

      • SS February 28, 2014 8:56 pm

        First of all, its a short comment comparitively to its other comments. Secondly, accusing an analyst of writing a paid comment is not appreciated. His works are really worth reading.

        • Rama February 28, 2014 9:37 pm

          @SS
          +1 bro.Most of the analysts at telecom talk do not get paid anything by either TT or any company and to be truthful the information provided by most analysts are very unique and hard to find on the internet.I dont know about telecom but for tech I have to read as much as 20 articles a day to gain info.I am sure for telecom also most analysts have to do something or the other to gain info.When the spectrum auction result came out I was desperately tring to find which operator won how much and where but its only at TT where not any author but Saurabh came out with a detailed table of the auction results circle wise.

      • Venkat February 28, 2014 9:00 pm

        What saurabh told is exactly correct. How can you say that the comment is paid??? Did WhatsApp paid you to comment like this??? Just imagine, it is not ethical to earn money by using the resources of service provider by damaging the earnigs of the same service provider.

        • Venkat February 28, 2014 9:05 pm

          @s.a Rahman…. Dear… It seems you have more patience than saurabh, coz you count all the words types by him. I think you got more money from WhatsApp than the amount paid to saurabh by Airtel (as you alleged)

          • Shiv February 28, 2014 9:23 pm

            Rightly Put Venkat. Completely agree.

    • anubhav11 February 28, 2014 7:52 pm

      totally agree with saurabh. +1

    • S.Sudhakar February 28, 2014 9:11 pm

      Lets see what hairwill the operators pluck if we use VoIP via wireline broadband. Most of them will be either at home or college / office. So they can use the WiFi at their place. In this case what will the shameless mobile operators pluck from the customers?.

      I think you will bark at me for this comment. LOL LOL.

      • Khaleel March 3, 2014 11:23 am

        I use BSNL.

        Now I use internet on my phone only through home wi-fi. I stopped subscribing to data packs.
        They used to offer 25 INR – 200MB – 15 days packs and not anymore. So I stopped paying them. Paying 125 INR/month for mobile data doesn’t seem economical to me since I use less than 300 MB (700 mb is being wasted after 1 month, If I would like to retain this data I need to recharge for another 125).

        **I won’t subscribe to data-packs anymore unless they offer data-packs of lower denomination with more validity (and less data).**

        So in my point of view BSNL is losing revenue(at least from me).

    • Shiv February 28, 2014 9:13 pm

      Completely Agree with you Saurabh. People require good speeds/ quality/ network…and that too without cost??

      Sic!!

      These are all businesshouses. Business sense/logic clearly indicates that Whatsapp…has eaten into their revenues. why should/ would not they be getting worried? Nishant/ Rahman: can you guys come up with some ideas?? rather than criticizing.

      PS: I am in no capacity involved with any of the telecom companies. just an observer. Just understand one simple thing:

      free me not even your dad feeds you.

    • Srikapardhi February 28, 2014 10:43 pm

      Wow… good to see there are ppl thinking we are getting paid from companies for writing here ;) haha …

      Our operators don’t even show interest to provide information for coming up with any analysis .To come up with one PAN India analysis we do ground work stretching late nights and there are times where we stretched till 5 am, post the article sleep for 2 hours and proceed with works :P What we get in return are inspirations in the form of comments from dear readers, that’s it :)

  • krish February 28, 2014 6:41 pm

    if it is so then there also should a cap on outgoing call charges max 30ps/min

  • Hebin Mathew February 28, 2014 6:34 pm

    Even though this type of OTT apps are very helpful to common people, there is a chance of misuse it. There will not be any control for the security agencies to monitor the traffic flowing through these type of apps…

  • karandeep singh February 28, 2014 6:30 pm

    just boycott this avoid group. my question to all of you is that if you are mess up with A-VO-ID group then why are you use them, just throw their sims not even try mnp

  • Gopi February 28, 2014 6:07 pm

    These companies are unfit to provide 3g and talk about
    4g and messaging app regulation.

    I think Airtel has bunch of fools who think customers are fools.
    I feel happy these people are loosing revenue.In initial days
    these people looted by increasing sms packs, blackouts,
    unauthorized vas,etc.

  • Ash February 28, 2014 5:52 pm

    One question, what about national security? What about terrorist use these apps. There should be something to trace it. Or am I wrong?

  • Esmail February 28, 2014 5:51 pm

    Whatsapp ko regulate kyu karawing?
    No ullu banawing, no ullu banawing

    VoIP pe rok kyu lagawing?
    No ullu banawing, no ullu banawing

    Data ka tariff kyu badhawing?
    No ullu banawing, no ullu banawing

    Ab Jio 4G ke sath, India ko no more ullu banawing. (Dedicated to AVoId)

  • akhil February 28, 2014 5:45 pm

    kejriwal now needed for protests :p

    • Chirag February 28, 2014 10:10 pm

      Hahahaha…!!!

  • Susanta February 28, 2014 5:35 pm

    Ya its 100% right.. Airtel and their avoid group have been avoid by customer even airtel is a no1 network.
    actualy absent of compititor and demand high consumtion of verious stage Airtel and their Sucking group had a chance to hike their prices day after day without lossing a single licence era of cancelation of 122 licence by the order of s.c

    But in the time of smart phone and social apps drammaticaly changed the game.
    SMS.. voice msg…MMS.. EMAIL subcription is now past..
    Wechat and line user can make free voice massage.. free voice call and free video call to any where in the world without spend a extra cost.

    personally i did not spend a 1p. on Sms pack after bying smart phone.

  • Aditya Maheshwari February 28, 2014 5:30 pm

    Shame on Them….
    First AVOID initiated the price hike & month after month they are doing same like all this in on Dollar value. Few days ago Airtel again increased tariff . They don’t want us to chat on these apps & why, they are here to ROB us.
    All we can do is to protest and start campaign against all this thing

    • akhil February 28, 2014 5:44 pm

      kejriwal now needed for protests :p